tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post8686801128495155131..comments2024-03-14T04:06:54.124-04:00Comments on GENKAKU-AGAIN (adam fisher): Eido Tai Shimano (continued)genkakuhttp://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comBlogger2180125tag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-66697936020892995542011-10-07T19:27:19.700-04:002011-10-07T19:27:19.700-04:00PS. For anyone wondering where their posts may hav...PS. For anyone wondering where their posts may have gone due to my five-thumbed errors, everything is available on the Shimano Archive in neat-as-a-pin order: http://www.shimanoarchive.com/PDFs/20110211_Genkaku_Again.pdfgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-57183662936826580882011-10-07T17:35:21.641-04:002011-10-07T17:35:21.641-04:00This blog will now be continued at Eido Tai Shiman...This blog will now be continued at Eido Tai Shimano (continued) 2: http://genkaku-again.blogspot.com/2011/10/eido-tai-shimano-continued-2.html<br /><br />The reason for creating yet another thread is that this one is incapable of offering new responses in an easily-accessible manner.genkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-4300615246936870992011-10-07T16:20:08.128-04:002011-10-07T16:20:08.128-04:00genkaku said...
And now that everything has been r...genkaku said...<br />And now that everything has been replaced ... the blog counter has gone berserk once more.<br /><br />BREAK TIME!<br /><br />Dear Genkaku,<br /><br />On behalf of everyone here, Genkaku, thank you so very much for trying to clean things and fix things. <br /><br />If Blogspot told you to start a new thread post every 1000 comments, they know about the counter problem and have not devoted the resources needed to fix, nor do they seem to do so anytime in the near future.<br /><br />The counter problem evidently appears every 200 comments AFTER the number of comments reaches 1,000. From what I saw prior to your test messages and after your test message (now apparently removed) the messages are not lost but the counter is broken. I don't know if anyone here relies on that counter except occasionally in a very rough way. It is somewhat frustrating to know that there is a problem but it is extremely difficult if not impossible to fix. To me it's yet another reminder for life many and far more complex issues.<br /><br />Hope your break was a good one.<br /><br />Gotta go now...<br /><br /><i>"Dear Liza, I told you I can't fix everything. Just buy a new bucket, would you?"</i>Dear Henrynoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-11948356252868311652011-10-07T14:39:29.390-04:002011-10-07T14:39:29.390-04:00And now that everything has been replaced ... the ...And now that everything has been replaced ... the blog counter has gone berserk once more.<br /><br />BREAK TIME!genkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-67218215326467259702011-10-07T14:38:10.285-04:002011-10-07T14:38:10.285-04:00REPETITION FOR CONTINUITY 4
Debbie said…
It is bu...REPETITION FOR CONTINUITY 4<br /><br />Debbie said…<br />It is business as usual at ZSS. Roko is clearly duplicitous in keeping Shimano's pathetic letter secret... "They said it should not be released because it would be confusing, embarrassing, and further damage his reputation."<br /><br />Horse shit... they cannot get their heads out of the sand in the unconditional realm to recognize that the only way to ethically proceed is with complete transparency.<br /><br />She somehow managed to move Shainberg onto the discredited "ethics committee" without a word to the sangha and the guy cranks out that pathetic, logically challenged and childish letter. What a joke!<br /><br />She's planning on packing the Board with new people she feels she can control and dominate. Dollars to doughnuts, she's going to crush any opposition by lowering the highway boom.... "It's my way or the highway." She will mercilessly drive away anyone who stands in her way in the process.<br /><br />For those of us who have known her and Shimano it is patently obvious that she is being directed by him from the background.<br /><br />Yet another fiasco!<br />October 7, 2011 8:48:48 AM<br /><br /><br />Question said…<br />Three words for Eido Shimano:<br />WE'RE the barbarians???<br />October 7, 2011 10:32:09 AM<br /><br /><br />Enzo said...<br />Worth repeating:<br /><br />"No one can stop him from teaching if there are enough fanatics to make that happen...."<br /><br />Still, Warning Signs need to be posted.<br /><br />* * * * *<br /><br />Genjo, for the love of Buddha! Please stop calling Shimano your Dharma Father that's getting old and starting sound sick. You are taking the Zen transmission mythology way too seriously.<br />October 7, 2011 1:55 PMgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-34822133790829969852011-10-07T14:36:19.736-04:002011-10-07T14:36:19.736-04:00REPETITION FOR CONTINUITY 3
genkaku said…
JULY 5,...REPETITION FOR CONTINUITY 3<br /><br />genkaku said…<br />JULY 5, 2011 LETTER FROM EIDO SHIMANO TO SOUN JOE DOWLING<br />____________________________________<br /><br />From: Martin Hara<br />Date: July 5, 2011 2:32:30 PM PDT<br />To: Soun Joe Dowling<br />Cc: Shinge Roshi Roko Sherry Chayat , Shinkon, Jikyo Bonnie Shoultz, Genjo Joe Marinello ,<br />Shoteki Chris Phelan, Zenshin Richard Rudin<br />Subject: DBZ Transcript<br /><br />Dear Soun<br /><br />Although I agreed not to mention about the Shoboji key matter, I did not agree to ignore<br />Zensho's question and my response. This must be clearly transcribed and distributed to the ZSS sangha properly.<br /><br />The reason why I feel that this is so Important, is that if we dont nurture the seeds of future Dharma students, the continuiituy will not be done. By my doing zazen meetings (no dokosan no teisho) rather than formal sesshins, my intention is<br />to sit together and study the zen classics in a classroom format. Thus, everyone will have the opportunity to share the enthusiasm while I am still able to teach. And when the time comes, I willl send them to DBZ and they will start (like Freshman) their zazen training. Even Harvard university would disappear in ten years if there were no freshmen stuidents. No one in our sangha wishes THIS for the future of DBZ and Shoboji.<br /><br />What we all need to do is to nurture the next generation. Shoboji's Public Meetings on Thursday Night used to be the entrance gate. We seriously need to think the reactivation of Thursday Nights.<br /><br />With the cooperation of the ZSS board, what i can do is start sowing the seeds of the plant for the next season. Right now we are too involved wtih present problems and have not been concerned about the furture ten or twenty years from now. DBZ is already 35 years old. Time flies and I am getting older. These students will grow and become the core of the next generation. Same is true in Japanese<br />Dharma Classs. Yusen, Shinobu, Junko, Julie, and others who are regularly going to DBZ to help each weekend are all from the Japanese Dharma Class. So without their presence, DBZ will suffer a greater impact.<br /><br />I am not creating a new Sangha. Instead, I am hatching new eggs for the future growth of<br />Shinge's students. Who would know? some of them will become future residents, some of them<br />will be future monks. this is what i regard as important from my response to Zensho's question. Therefore I urge you to include my comment in response to Zensho's question.<br /><br />Gassho,<br /><br />Eido Shimano<br /><br />Send from Martin Hara as dictated by Eido Shimano Roshi<br />October 7, 2011 8:13:16 AMgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-83423000673514306832011-10-07T14:35:01.862-04:002011-10-07T14:35:01.862-04:00REPETITION FOR CONTINUITY 2
genkaku said…
GENJO M...REPETITION FOR CONTINUITY 2<br /><br />genkaku said…<br />GENJO MARINELLO POSTING ON ZEN FORUM INTERNATIONAL OCT. 7<br />________________________<br /><br />PART II<br /><br /><br />At one point, the “Informational Paper” says, “For much of this past year Eido has been trying to figure a way back into teaching. That is exactly what he has managed to do before… This time it didn’t work and on July 2nd he stated,… ‘I will stop doing dokusan and giving teisho in a forma way’… With these words, Eido finished teaching and working with students.” However, I have in my possession an email from Eido Roshi, addressed to the ZSS Board President and copied to other board members including myself dated July 5th, asking to be allowed to lead zazen at New York Zendo, teach Zen classics in a classroom format, stating, “Thus, everyone will have the opportunity to share the enthusiasm while I am still able to teach. And when the time comes, I will send them to DBZ and they will start (like Freshman) their zazen training.” My fellow members of the ZSS Board insisted that this letter was an aberration of a desperate man. They said it should not be released because it would be confusing, embarrassing, and further damage his reputation. How is that possible? I resigned from the board because after the Board received this letter exposing Eido Roshi’s sham of stepping down from all teaching, the majority of the ZSS Board, including the Board president and current abbot were not willing to insist on even a moderate hiatus of Eido Roshi’s presence on ZSS property. I should have released the letter earlier, though I did not cover it up and publicly spoke of its content. Here is a redacted (email addresses removed) copy: http://www.choboji.org/Transcript.pdf<br /><br />Moreover, as late as Sept. 5th of this year, a proposal by Lawrence Shainberg, who is unbelievably to me still on the current ZSS ethics committee, seriously suggests that Eido Roshi’s supporters be given the opportunity to buy the New York Zendo – Shobo-Ji, so that Eido Roshi could continue to teach there! No one can stop him from teaching if there are enough fanatics to make that happen, but for Buddha’s sake I’m glad to report the ZSS Board will not entertain this absurd but well stated argument that is also printed on this page of this forum. The point is there is no way Eido Roshi is not behind these attempts to find new venues to continue teaching and the least the ZSS Board can do is definitively restrict him from all further access to ZSS property. How can the Sangha hope to regain a solid footing while he remains present? Sadly, the founding abbot has almost no awareness of his crimes or the harm that he has done. More sadly to me, the current abbot still supports his presence on campus and doesn’t appear to understand that much more needs to be done to foster real healing within the ZSS Sangha.<br /><br />Genjo<br />October 7, 2011 7:36:27 AMgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-18569507291510425102011-10-07T14:33:52.094-04:002011-10-07T14:33:52.094-04:00AND, TO KEEP THE CONTINUITY, THE FOLLOWING REPETIT...AND, TO KEEP THE CONTINUITY, THE FOLLOWING REPETITIONS<br /><br />genkaku said…<br />GENJO MARINELLO POSTING OCT. 7 ON ZEN FORUM INTERNATIONAL<br />____________________________________<br /><br />PART I<br /><br />Recently I had the good pleasure to read the “Informational Paper” (http://www.shimanoarchive.com/PDFs/2011 ... _Paper.pdf) presented to the Zen Studies Society (ZSS) at the all Sangha Meeting held August 26-28, by Rev. Kyoki Roberts, the lead facilitator from An Olive Branch. The paper starts out by going over the fact that thirteen states, but not New York, have enacted long overdue statutes making Sexual Conduct by Clergy a felony. By these enlightened standards my own Dharma Father would probably be behind bars after his very likely conviction(s) if subject to these laws honoring basic ground rules of ethical decency. And yet he is still allowed on campus, and at times shows up when Shinge Roshi, his successor, is not present, and apparently everyone acts like nothing has changed. Of course those present find it very disorienting to say the least. I find this totally unacceptable, and again call for the ZSS Board to insist that Eido Roshi be banned indefinitely from ZSS property. Here is a man who by a reasonable estimate not only seduced and slept with dozens of vulnerable students under his spiritual care over the course of decades, but also plied some with alcoholic libations and forced himself on them. There is a first hand account of a senior student of Eido Roshi’s on the blogs that confirms just such an act. Many may not know who this student is, as she whishes to remain anonymous, but I have a good idea whom this is, and knowing this person, I totally accept her account as completely credible.<br /><br />The “Informational Paper” goes on to say that resources need to be devoted to “educate your Sangha on prevention of misconduct and the abuse of power within a Sangha. Get training in communication, conflict resolution and family systems… You may want to create a task force to oversee and plan the events, education, and training that your community will need to re-create itself.” In addition, the paper calls for the board to address “structural issues” such as membership and board representation that just may help prevent future excessive abuses of power and authority centered on one person. The paper notes that there are “victims of sexual misconduct who need your support” and a Sangha that is “desperately trying to figure out what to do.”<br /><br />I ask where in Shinge Roshi’s letter to the ZSS Sangha summarizing her response to the Sangha Meeting (also posted on this page of this forum) does she move forward on these essential points presented by Rev. Kyoki Roberts? Instead of committing the organization to structural reforms that would decentralize power by making the organization membership based with a primarily elected board, we hear about how there is going to be a “review and revision of our by-laws to rationalize our governance decisions". Moreover, we read how new unnamed board members are being essentially appointed to board positions vacated by those who demanded more from this organization than it seems capable of giving. Since June of last year, five board members have resigned because more was not being done. Where is any kind of commitment to “educate your Sangha on prevention of misconduct and the abuse of power with the Sangha”? Where is the needed support for the many victims of sexual misconduct perpetrated by the founding abbot and serially minimized and inadequately addressed by previous ZSS boards?<br />October 7, 2011 7:35:09 AMgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-8083503932692832342011-10-07T14:32:30.902-04:002011-10-07T14:32:30.902-04:00REPLACEMENTS CON'T
Snidely Sniper Holder of t...REPLACEMENTS CON'T<br /><br />Snidely Sniper Holder of the Inka Pen said…<br /><br />Haroun said...<br /><br />"As for Roshi Lou and Roshi Shinge, they must be credited with having the drive and ambition to pursue the very tortuous paths they took to hunt down that mythical beast, Inka."<br /><br />Damn!!! I have had Inka in my pocket for years. Even have an Inka Pen to prove it.<br /><br />Truth be told, if one patiently and meticulously observes the behavior of the people who get Shiho and Inka over a period of years, one should really have to wonder about the value of such titles in the study and practice of Zen. Almost makes me want to say "You have Shiho? Inka? Oh no!!" Then run for the hills.<br />October 6, 2011 3:05:44 PM<br /><br /><br />Christopher said…<br />Genjo Marinello has just made a very positive and informative post on ZFI. Among the revelations is that Eido wasn't telling the entire truth (what a surprise!) when he "officially gave up teaching" on July 2nd. Genjo then says:<br /><br />"My fellow members of the ZSS Board insisted that this letter was an aberration of a desperate man. They said it should not be released because it would be confusing, embarrassing, and further damage his reputation."<br /><br />Just unbelievable (well OK, actually not that unbelievable) that this late in the game the Board is still playing cover-up for Eido.<br />October 7, 2011 4:08:10 AMgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-46318018642861745672011-10-07T14:31:29.523-04:002011-10-07T14:31:29.523-04:00REPLACEMENTS CON'T
"Robert S." said...REPLACEMENTS CON'T<br /><br />"Robert S." said…<br />SmartAs,<br /><br />You and Snidely raise some interesting points. I'd prefer to deal with them at a more general level whenever possible since I don't know the guy.<br /><br />The first point you also raise is a sad comment on college students and teaching them: If 1/4 of students in a Philosophy class had<br />something positive to say that's not too bad. Not bad? That's very bad!<br /><br />The causes should be examined carefully by the professor and by the department. Personally I found Philosophy fascinating but it could be because I had great teachers in college. I became a philosophy major<br />because of them. There was one teacher who was so good he usually just taught one course multiple times a week and students liked it so much they audited again after taking it. But the teaching profession has it's issues throughout the grade but in particular college or university is not necessarily the best place for scholars and scientists. Such people may be brilliant in their respective fields but not really good as teachers or even writers yet they are forced to do both.<br /><br />An even bigger question going on today what factors make a great teacher? Clearly it's not just knowing the information, but just as clearly it not reasonable to expect every teacher to be a Superman. Teaching requires much more than discussing idea and readings. Can one be taught how to be a good teacher, can anyone become a good teacher?<br /><br />The next point is the need or value of charisma in teaching. I think that you discount it too readily. Simply because an ability can be and has been abused doesn't mean it should be undervalued or discarded. Steve Jobs who passed away today supposedly had both great vision and charisma but I also have read that he was a severe task master. We probably would not have be having this discussion on this blog without Job's applying his charisma to the popularization of the computer via the outstanding graphical and audio interfaces he promoted. (Not to discount the talents of many, many others).<br /><br />The final point is most relevant on this blog thread. And here specifics cannot be avoided:Bluntly, is Nordstrom a willing enabler for Chayat and the continuance of Shimanoism? SmartAs I am not sure what you are saying about his role in the 90's women's workshop; was he just Chayat's gullible stooge or was he a willing enabler? Where he stands now is to be determined by his actions.<br /><br />BTW - I love his ears in this picture:<br />http://www.brevardzen.org/Loupix.jpg<br />He looks like a white Haku'un Yasutani.<br /><br />BTW #2 "..he looks like he's about to croke any second" Is Nordstrom ill?<br />October 5, 2011 11:22:07 PM<br /><br /><br />Haroun said… <br />"Namu Dai Bosa: A transmission of Zen Buddhism to America" (1976), was, accoring to Shimano, "really Lou Nordstrom's book".<br /><br />Please read Part Three of this book, titled<br />"The Way to Dai Bosatsu" by "Shimano Eido Roshi".<br /><br />No teacher ever depicted himself in this over-the-top self-aggrandizing manner. Looking at it today, I cringe.<br /><br />As for Roshi Lou and Roshi Shinge, they must be credited with having the drive and ambition to pursue the very tortuous paths they took to hunt down that mythical beast, Inka.<br />October 6, 2011 9:43:03 AMgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-74454683864701179182011-10-07T14:29:51.178-04:002011-10-07T14:29:51.178-04:00REPLACEMENT CON'T
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Snidely - just...REPLACEMENT CON'T<br />SmartAs said…<br />Snidely - just for balance, here's another rating on Nordstrom. Guess this comment leaves you out.<br /><br />"He is an amazing, excellent professor and I enjoyed his class very much,but only for open minded, intellectual students. I had absolutly no difficulties in this class.<br />Report this rating"<br />October 5, 2011 4:56:08 PM<br /><br /><br />Snidely Sniper said…<br />SmartAs said...<br />Snidely - just for balance, here's another rating on Nordstrom. Guess this comment leaves you out.<br /><br />Sorry SmartAss, tead the the entire 6 pages to understand the likely basis of such high praise and such a discrepancy of opinion. Also always factor in a) suck ups, b) self entered comments, c) no matter how bad something is someone will probably think it's great.<br /><br />You're smart right? Just read all 6 pages before claiming "balance." Learn to read between the lines as well.<br />October 5, 2011 5:54:58 PM<br /><br /><br />Chester said…<br />Snidely Sniper said... "Inka from Junpu Kuroda Roshi"<br /><br />This guy is in the White Plum Asanga... that's Soto no? I thought inka was a Rinzai thing. How does a Soto guy wind up dispensing Rinzai credentials?<br />October 5, 2011 6:21:49 PM<br /><br /><br />SmartAs said...<br />Snidely,<br /><br />I read enough to see that these students are more interested in passing on information concerning how easy the course is and how entertained they're going to be. If 1/4 of Hunter students in a Philosophy class had<br />something positive to say that's not too bad.<br /><br />I just don't think that Lou's charismatic qualities are what should be of interest here. Shimano had plenty of charisma which he could intentionally use for manipulative purposes.<br /><br />In any case, if my tracking memory is right, I think the last time Lou showed up on the ZSS scene was to give a teisho for the womens retreat in 1993 or was it 95? Whatever. This retreat was intended to deal with Shimano's sexual abuse of his female students. Sherry Chayat was one of the organizers of this white-washed (largely by her) event. So here he is again under some similar circumstances. I think it's sad. I think it's tiring. I think Lou is just a shoe-in for whoever the next imported Japanese teacher will be - just a guess - we'll see. It would not surprise me to see both Lou and Shainberg on the board, but Lou may be too smart for that. He is - really - a pretty smart guy and one who has been through a lot of crap.j<br />October 5, 2011 8:39:41 PMgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-80950326977350516892011-10-07T14:26:50.248-04:002011-10-07T14:26:50.248-04:00October 3, 2011 at 2:39 PM
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The wise people at Bl...October 3, 2011 at 2:39 PM<br />.<br />The wise people at Blogger have suggested that I make a new post for every thousand or so responses to the Eido Tai Shimano (continued) blog. After something like 2,000, the pagination function gets flummoxed and finding the latest post becomes a chore.<br /><br />And so, although it is repetitive, I will repost the original letter that was the springboard for the whole to-and-fro here and on the original Eido Tai Shimano blog, which crapped out after 5,000 posts. From here on out, I will try to keep track of the postings and make a new post at the 1,000 or so mark in hopes that things will run more smoothly.<br />***************************************************************<br /><br />What follows is a letter I wrote in 1982 to Eido Tai Shimano....<br />October 4, 2011 1:47:51 PM<br /><br />genkaku said…<br />Dear Henry -- I chased my tail with the Blogger folks for a while and finally came back to square one ... right here after inserting a bunch of "test" posts that turned the internet page and straightened out the inability to get to the "newest" post.<br /><br />So... there is no new creation. It's just the same ol' same ol' ... until the Blogger code presents a new glitch.<br /><br />Sorry for any confusion.<br />October 4, 2011 2:18:05 PM<br /><br /><br />Dear Henry said…<br />genkaku said...<br /><br />Sorry for any confusion.<br /><br />It's just the same ol' same ol' ... until the Blogger code presents a new glitch.<br /><br />To be clear - the old glitch is still operative until it is addressed. As the number of comments approaches 2400, 2600, 2800, etc. the problem will become apparent again. However, I'm fairly certain that it's really just a counter problem and not a lost message problem.<br /><br />Henry<br />October 4, 2011 2:58:46 PM<br /><br /><br />Snidely Sniper said…<br />MIke said...<br /><br />"NEW YORK ZENDO SHOBO-JI EVENTS<br />Bodhidharma Day All-Day Sit<br />led by Mitsunen Shoro Lou Nordstrom Roshi Nordstrom Roshi, who began Zen practice at New York Zendo in 1967, will conduct this all-day sitting....<br /><br />Thanks for the posting, Mike.<br /><br />I find his credential very interesting, impressive even: Shiho from Bernie Glassman, Inka from Junpu Kuroda Roshi, studied with Shimano and Soen etc. a PhD in philosophy, has taught for over 40 years, and is the author of many articles, and is also a poet. A real renaissance Zen Teacher it would seem.<br /><br />So I checked his Rate Your Professor page.<br /><br />Most student who bothered to rate him said essential the same thing:<br />E. g.<br /><br />"he makes u want to jump out of a window b.c he is EXTREMELY BORING!!he tries to convince every1 to become a buddhist..he doesn't assign 10 papers anymore..wayy more than that this semester..would NEVER take him if i had to make my schedule over again..he needs to retire already..he looks like he's about to croke any second .."<br /><br />"CAN U SAY ZZZZZZZZZZZZZ."<br /><br />So much for having impressive credentials in reaching college student. LOL!<br /><br />It's actually quite a sad commentary on Zen training... beginning with the value of "paying attention."<br /><br />I hope someone can report back on whether he was worth star billing at NYZ.<br /><br />Meanwhile, keep chewing on the value of titles, and hype in Zen. So far it seems to me they are as useless if not more useless as they are in any commercial enterprise. May be ZSS will give out coupons on Groupon next.<br /><br />See for yourself: Check out Rate My Professors<br />October 5, 2011 2:13:26 PMgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-67156798853999689772011-10-07T14:25:01.499-04:002011-10-07T14:25:01.499-04:00REPLACED ... CON'T
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October 1, ...REPLACED ... CON'T<br />--------------<br /><br />October 1, 2011 7:54:35 PM<br /><br />Confucius said…<br />Then he lied in Namu Dai Bosa.<br />October 1, 2011 8:19:49 PM<br /><br />Dear Henry said…<br />Test Message<br /><br />There's a hole in the Blogspot dear Liza, dear Liza, dear Liza.<br /><br />Will this message be lost in a blackhole of Blogspot?<br /><br />The previous page says "2001 - 2200 of 2205." This page says "2201 – 2205 of 2205 " but there are no comments just Genkaku's lead post.<br /><br />I have seen this happen before.<br /><br /><br />There's a hole in the Blogspot dear Liza, dear Liza, dear Liza.<br />There's a hole in the Blogspot dear Leisa, Oh. Oh.<br />October 3, 2011 12:09:57 AM<br /><br />Dear Henry said…<br />Test Results<br /><br />My Dear Liza message showed up on the page that now says "2001 - 2200 of 2206."<br /><br />The counter is broken dear Liza, dear Liza, dear Liza.<br />The counter is broken on Blogspot. Oh. Oh.<br /><br />But it's not nearly as bad as is winding up on the first page of the lead article of the thread.<br />October 3, 2011 12:15:43 AM<br /><br />Genkaku said…<br />Please pardon all the "tests." The hope was to iron out the glitch that the Blogger mavens cannot iron out in their coding ... and results in an inability to get to the "newest" post directly.<br /><br />Hopefully this diversion will set things straight.<br />October 3, 2011 4:16:19 PM<br /><br /><br />Dear Henry said…<br />Dear Genkaku,<br /><br />This morning, October 4, 2011 via the RSS feed (see below) I was notified that as of October 3, 2011, there was to be a new Shimano page. Later on when I tried to visit that page Blogspot "said" it did not exist. I looked around a bit but could not find it.<br /><br />Is the missing page yet another technical snafu or does it mean something else is going on behind the scenes?<br /><br />Thanks for your time, concern and energy in trying to resolve the at times confusing posting / numbering problem. Also, thanks to the Blogspot tech support for admitting that there has been and still is a problem that has gone unaddressed; I hope that they prioritize this problem so that they can devote the time and manpower to solve it.<br /><br />Warm Regards,<br /><br />Henry<br /><br />Received via the RSS feed:<br /><br />new post on Eido Tai Shimano (continued) bloggenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-46198945731618374342011-10-07T14:23:11.925-04:002011-10-07T14:23:11.925-04:00OK ... CONTINUATION OF WHAT WAS ERRONEOUSLY DELETE...OK ... CONTINUATION OF WHAT WAS ERRONEOUSLY DELETED<br />____________________________________________<br /><br />changeinthewind said...<br />I give up. Could not wrrite my way out of a paper bag today.<br />September 30, 2011 4:59 PM<br /><br /><br />Ed Norton said...<br />Our good buddy says wherever he goes on this blog he claims he smells shit. I know the feeling. <br /><br />That why I've been studying this true, deepshit koan:<br />"What is Buddha? Ummon answered, “Shit-wiping stick.”<br /><br />BTW - Try soaking in a tub containing a quart of a strong laundry detergent, a quart of hydrogen peroxide, and a box baking soda. If that don't work, it's just psychological.<br />September 30, 2011 5:10 PM<br /><br />Confucius said…<br />Today is Eido Tai Shimano's 79th birthday....<br />October 1, 2011 12:57:05 AM<br /><br />Shen Yeng said…<br />No it isn't, it's the 7th.genkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-80649690442331066482011-10-07T13:55:50.169-04:002011-10-07T13:55:50.169-04:00Worth repeating:
"No one can stop him from t...Worth repeating:<br /><br />"No one can stop him from teaching if there are enough fanatics to make that happen...."<br /><br />Still, Warning Signs need to be posted.<br /><br />* * * * *<br /><br />Genjo, for the love of Buddha! Please stop calling Shimano your Dharma Father that's getting old and starting sound sick. You are taking the Zen transmission mythology way too seriously.Enzonoreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-70372229631483817502011-10-07T12:24:16.426-04:002011-10-07T12:24:16.426-04:00Date: October 7, 2011 10:32:09 AM EDT
Subject: Thr...Date: October 7, 2011 10:32:09 AM EDT<br />Subject: Three words for Eido Shimano: Question wrote:<br /><br /><br /><br />Date: October 7, 2011 8:48:48 AM EDT<br /><br /><br />Author: Debbie <br /><br />It is business as usual at ZSS. Roko is clearly duplicitous in keeping Shimano's pathetic letter secret... "They said it should not be released because it would be confusing, embarrassing, and further damage his reputation."<br /><br />Horse shit... they cannot get their heads out of the sand in the unconditional realm to recognize that the only way to ethically proceed is with complete transparency.<br /><br />She somehow managed to move Shainberg onto the discredited "ethics committee" without a word to the sangha and the guy cranks out that pathetic, logically challenged and childish letter. What a joke!<br /><br />She's planning on packing the Board with new people she feels she can control and dominate. Dollars to doughnuts, she's going to crush any opposition by lowering the highway boom.... "It's my way or the highway." She will mercilessly drive away anyone who stands in her way in the process.<br /><br />For those of us who have known her and Shimano it is patently obvious that she is being directed by him from the background.<br /><br />Yet another fiasco!genkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-61705051152402418272011-10-07T12:19:50.432-04:002011-10-07T12:19:50.432-04:00JULY 5, 2011 LETTER FROM EIDO SHIMANO TO SOUN JOE ...JULY 5, 2011 LETTER FROM EIDO SHIMANO TO SOUN JOE DOWLING<br />____________________________________<br /><br />From: Martin Hara<br />Date: July 5, 2011 2:32:30 PM PDT<br />To: Soun Joe Dowling<br />Cc: Shinge Roshi Roko Sherry Chayat , Shinkon, Jikyo Bonnie Shoultz, Genjo Joe Marinello ,<br />Shoteki Chris Phelan, Zenshin Richard Rudin<br />Subject: DBZ Transcript<br /><br />Dear Soun<br /><br />Although I agreed not to mention about the Shoboji key matter, I did not agree to ignore Zensho's question and my response. This must be clearly transcribed and distributed to the ZSS sangha properly.<br /><br />The reason why I feel that this is so Important, is that if we dont nurture the seeds of future Dharma students, the continuiituy will not be done. By my doing zazen meetings (no dokosan no teisho) rather than formal sesshins, my intention is to sit together and study the zen classics in a classroom format. Thus, everyone will have the opportunity to share the enthusiasm while I am still able to teach. And when the time comes, I willl send them to DBZ and they will start (like Freshman) their zazen training. Even Harvard university would disappear in ten years if there were no freshmen stuidents. No one in our sangha wishes THIS for the future of DBZ and Shoboji.<br /><br />What we all need to do is to nurture the next generation. Shoboji's Public Meetings on Thursday Night used to be the entrance gate. We seriously need to think the reactivation of Thursday Nights.<br /><br />With the cooperation of the ZSS board, what i can do is start sowing the seeds of the plant for the next season. Right now we are too involved wtih present problems and have not been concerned about the furture ten or twenty years from now. DBZ is already 35 years old. Time flies and I am getting older. These students will grow and become the core of the next generation. Same is true in Japanese Dharma Classs. Yusen, Shinobu, Junko, Julie, and others who are regularly going to DBZ to help each weekend are all from the Japanese Dharma Class. So without their presence, DBZ will suffer a greater impact.<br /><br />I am not creating a new Sangha. Instead, I am hatching new eggs for the future growth of Shinge's students. Who would know? some of them will become future residents, some of them will be future monks. this is what i regard as important from my response to Zensho's question. Therefore I urge you to include my comment in response to Zensho's question.<br /><br />Gassho,<br />Eido Shimano<br /><br />Send from Martin Hara as dictated by Eido Shimano Roshigenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-12433158188760502011-10-07T12:18:08.637-04:002011-10-07T12:18:08.637-04:00GENJO MARINELLO POSTING ON ZEN FORUM INTERNATIONAL...GENJO MARINELLO POSTING ON ZEN FORUM INTERNATIONAL OCT. 7<br />________________________<br /><br />PART II<br /><br /><br />At one point, the “Informational Paper” says, “For much of this past year Eido has been trying to figure a way back into teaching. That is exactly what he has managed to do before… This time it didn’t work and on July 2nd he stated,… ‘I will stop doing dokusan and giving teisho in a forma way’… With these words, Eido finished teaching and working with students.” However, I have in my possession an email from Eido Roshi, addressed to the ZSS Board President and copied to other board members including myself dated July 5th, asking to be allowed to lead zazen at New York Zendo, teach Zen classics in a classroom format, stating, “Thus, everyone will have the opportunity to share the enthusiasm while I am still able to teach. And when the time comes, I will send them to DBZ and they will start (like Freshman) their zazen training.” My fellow members of the ZSS Board insisted that this letter was an aberration of a desperate man. They said it should not be released because it would be confusing, embarrassing, and further damage his reputation. How is that possible? I resigned from the board because after the Board received this letter exposing Eido Roshi’s sham of stepping down from all teaching, the majority of the ZSS Board, including the Board president and current abbot were not willing to insist on even a moderate hiatus of Eido Roshi’s presence on ZSS property. I should have released the letter earlier, though I did not cover it up and publicly spoke of its content. Here is a redacted (email addresses removed) copy: http://www.choboji.org/Transcript.pdf<br /><br />Moreover, as late as Sept. 5th of this year, a proposal by Lawrence Shainberg, who is unbelievably to me still on the current ZSS ethics committee, seriously suggests that Eido Roshi’s supporters be given the opportunity to buy the New York Zendo – Shobo-Ji, so that Eido Roshi could continue to teach there! No one can stop him from teaching if there are enough fanatics to make that happen, but for Buddha’s sake I’m glad to report the ZSS Board will not entertain this absurd but well stated argument that is also printed on this page of this forum. The point is there is no way Eido Roshi is not behind these attempts to find new venues to continue teaching and the least the ZSS Board can do is definitively restrict him from all further access to ZSS property. How can the Sangha hope to regain a solid footing while he remains present? Sadly, the founding abbot has almost no awareness of his crimes or the harm that he has done. More sadly to me, the current abbot still supports his presence on campus and doesn’t appear to understand that much more needs to be done to foster real healing within the ZSS Sangha.<br /><br />Genjogenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-73113255637885450092011-10-07T12:17:14.637-04:002011-10-07T12:17:14.637-04:00Will continue later ... too tired to unscramble wh...Will continue later ... too tired to unscramble what I was so graciously given. In the meantime, let me skip to the latest posts made today:<br />********************************************<br /><br />GENJO MARINELLO POSTING OCT. 7 ON ZEN FORUM INTERNATIONAL<br />____________________________________<br /><br />PART I<br /><br />Recently I had the good pleasure to read the “Informational Paper” (http://www.shimanoarchive.com/PDFs/2011 ... _Paper.pdf) presented to the Zen Studies Society (ZSS) at the all Sangha Meeting held August 26-28, by Rev. Kyoki Roberts, the lead facilitator from An Olive Branch. The paper starts out by going over the fact that thirteen states, but not New York, have enacted long overdue statutes making Sexual Conduct by Clergy a felony. By these enlightened standards my own Dharma Father would probably be behind bars after his very likely conviction(s) if subject to these laws honoring basic ground rules of ethical decency. And yet he is still allowed on campus, and at times shows up when Shinge Roshi, his successor, is not present, and apparently everyone acts like nothing has changed. Of course those present find it very disorienting to say the least. I find this totally unacceptable, and again call for the ZSS Board to insist that Eido Roshi be banned indefinitely from ZSS property. Here is a man who by a reasonable estimate not only seduced and slept with dozens of vulnerable students under his spiritual care over the course of decades, but also plied some with alcoholic libations and forced himself on them. There is a first hand account of a senior student of Eido Roshi’s on the blogs that confirms just such an act. Many may not know who this student is, as she whishes to remain anonymous, but I have a good idea whom this is, and knowing this person, I totally accept her account as completely credible.<br /><br />The “Informational Paper” goes on to say that resources need to be devoted to “educate your Sangha on prevention of misconduct and the abuse of power within a Sangha. Get training in communication, conflict resolution and family systems… You may want to create a task force to oversee and plan the events, education, and training that your community will need to re-create itself.” In addition, the paper calls for the board to address “structural issues” such as membership and board representation that just may help prevent future excessive abuses of power and authority centered on one person. The paper notes that there are “victims of sexual misconduct who need your support” and a Sangha that is “desperately trying to figure out what to do.”<br /><br />I ask where in Shinge Roshi’s letter to the ZSS Sangha summarizing her response to the Sangha Meeting (also posted on this page of this forum) does she move forward on these essential points presented by Rev. Kyoki Roberts? Instead of committing the organization to structural reforms that would decentralize power by making the organization membership based with a primarily elected board, we hear about how there is going to be a “review and revision of our by-laws to rationalize our governance decisions". Moreover, we read how new unnamed board members are being essentially appointed to board positions vacated by those who demanded more from this organization than it seems capable of giving. Since June of last year, five board members have resigned because more was not being done. Where is any kind of commitment to “educate your Sangha on prevention of misconduct and the abuse of power with the Sangha”? Where is the needed support for the many victims of sexual misconduct perpetrated by the founding abbot and serially minimized and inadequately addressed by previous ZSS boards?genkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-62306855075546990812011-10-07T12:00:12.116-04:002011-10-07T12:00:12.116-04:00Ryushin Sean Malone, Vice president – The Engaged ...Ryushin Sean Malone, Vice president – The Engaged Zen Foundation<br />September 30, 2011 4:38 PM<br /><br /><br />changeinthewind said...<br />Don't think this is about you being an overtly fat freeloader ,Genkaku. Snidley said from the sewer what sewerish, it still snidelys can be counted on to say.<br /><br />Smear it about and it still stinks.<br /><br />Read this one before I posted it and the editing is I hope better than the one above. Sorry and outta here for another month or two..<br />September 30, 2011 4:57 PMgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-14355875566298771502011-10-07T11:59:28.483-04:002011-10-07T11:59:28.483-04:00Walter said...
Constantine said...
yes.... and wil...Walter said...<br />Constantine said...<br />yes.... and will Shainberg and Nordstron appear on the ZSS Board soon?<br /><br />Can outsiders nominate? How about "Mr. Zen for Fun and Profit," Mr. Dennis Genpo Merzel.<br /><br />Genpo can bring Dai Shin to Dai Bosatsu. He'll bring in the big bucks students and have access to a safe haven in the event of those left coast earthquakes and fires. It's all embracing Zen with select individual, small and large group hugs!<br />September 30, 2011 1:20 PM<br /><br /><br />Genpo said...<br />"Three Paths of Study and Practice: Cash, Check, Credit Card"<br />September 30, 2011 3:14 PM<br /><br /><br />Snidely said...<br />The fat fuck should get a job instead of sucking up for other people's hard earned money.<br />September 30, 2011 3:59 PM<br /><br /><br />changeinthewind said...<br />Man, whenever I want a need good sniff of human shit the "Snidely(s) said" sliding through this blog this blog always come through.<br />September 30, 2011 4:12 PM<br /><br /><br />genkaku said...<br />Snidely's remarks at 3:59 refer to my erroneous (and here corrected) posting of what follows:<br />__________________________________<br /><br /><br />For those who may have missed it, here is a small appeal that appears on the Engaged Zen Foundation site (http://www.engaged-zen.org/appeal.html), which, like the Shimano Archive(http://shimanoarchive.com/), is maintained by The Rev. Kobutsu Malone. Kobutsu could use our help:<br /><br /><br />Dear Dharma Sisters and Brothers,<br /><br />I am writing on behalf of The Engaged Zen Foundation and my father, Rev. Kobutsu Kevin Malone, to ask for your help.<br /><br />We need a replacement for our present car, a 1994 Mazda Protégé, which has served us for many years but is now worn out and rusted through. We are also hoping to replace our Mac G5 computer to make use of current software and an up-to-date operating system.<br /><br />Those who share the concerns of The Engaged Zen Foundation are aware of Kobutsu’s work as a chaplain and advocate for prisoners, in particular for his efforts as a Buddhist monk who has been very outspoken against the death penalty.<br /><br />My father worked for many years in Sing Sing prison, establishing a Sangha there and keeping regular zazen meetings. He visited prisoners on death row in several states, and brought Shodo Harada Roshi to the Arkansas Death Row for the first ever visit of a Japanese Zen Master to an American Death Row. His book, Prison Chaplaincy Guidelines for Zen Buddhism (2006) is recognized as a primary resource for Buddhists engaged in working with prisoners. <br /><br />Kobutsu was instrumental in compiling the Shimano Archive, a project that was initiated by Aitken Roshi to archive documents that record the words and deeds of Eido Shimano, Roshi, the former Abbot of The Zen Studies Society. The shimanoarchive.com is the most comprehensive and detailed compilation of documents about a Zen teacher and Abbot’s misbehavior ever compiled. It is a website that is continually “under construction” as more documents are submitted to be archived. This open-sourced website is Kobutsu’s ongoing project.<br /><br />My dad has endeavored to be self-sufficient and always worked without the sponsorship of an organization, although in years past, occasional grants from foundations helped support his mission. Today we ask for your help. Kobutsu needs a better car to get through this winter in Maine, and a newer computer would also be helpful. His Social Security Disability income is simply not enough to afford these purchases, therefore this appeal for your help.<br /><br />The Engaged Zen Foundation is a not for profit 501(c)(3) organization and your donation is tax-deductible. Your tax deductible donations may be made to EZF via credit card or PayPal. <br /><br />For those without HTML email, donations can be made from the EZF site at:<br /><br />http://www.engaged-zen.org/contact.html<br /><br />Alternately, donations may be made by check to:<br /><br />The Engaged Zen Foundation<br />Post Office Box 213<br />Sedgwick, ME 04676 USA<br /><br />With nine deep bows,genkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-23635663268270536362011-10-07T11:58:37.966-04:002011-10-07T11:58:37.966-04:00MIke said...
"NEW YORK ZENDO SHOBO-JI EVENTS
...MIke said...<br />"NEW YORK ZENDO SHOBO-JI EVENTS<br />Bodhidharma Day All-Day Sit<br />led by Mitsunen Shoro Lou Nordstrom Roshi<br />Sunday, Oct. 9, 8 am – 5 pm<br />Nordstrom Roshi, who began Zen practice at New York Zendo in 1967, will conduct this all-day sitting.<br />He received shiho from Bernie Glassman, in the White Plum lineage of Taizen Maezumi Roshi and inka from Junpu Kuroda Roshi. He was also a student of Soen Roshi and Eido Roshi, and is the former husband of Shinge Roko Sherry Chayat Roshi.<br />Nordstrom Roshi has taught Buddhism and comparative philosophy at many colleges and universities, including Columbia University, NYU, Marymount, Marymount Manhattan, Syracuse University, and Bernard Baruch. He has been a non-resident teacher in Florida since 1997, and is the Abbot of two Zen centers there, Kuge-in Brevard Zen Center and Hokori-ji Lakeland Zen Center. Nordstrom Roshi was the editor of "Namu Dai Bosa: A Zen Transmission to America," is the author of many articles, and is also a poet.<br />A potluck gathering will be held at the conclusion of the all-day sitting. As with each NYZ all-day sit, students are encouraged to attend full-time, but if necessary, part-time attendance is permitted. Contact office@newyorkzendo.org to make reservations and to coordinate pot luck contributions."<br /><br />good to see some 'old timers' returning to SBJ.<br />September 29, 2011 6:14 AM<br /><br /><br />Cindy Usagi Mimi Adams (兎耳) said...<br />Ahhhh.... This is is so cute! These roshi are sill "friends."<br /><br />It's like Sonny coming back to visit Cher.<br />Or Ike coming back to visit Tina.<br />Or Bobby Brown coming to see Whiney.<br /><br />They could have been the first roshi couple in the East.<br /><br />Will there be future collaborations? Will they be crowd pleasers?<br /><br />Is Lou still broke from all that therapy? What does the therapist have to say about returning to the scene of the crimes.<br /><br />Stay tuned!<br />September 30, 2011 11:41 AM<br /><br /><br />Constantine said...<br />yes.... and will Shainberg and Nordstron appear on the ZSS Board soon?<br />September 30, 2011 12:09 PMgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-66308507991262809482011-10-07T11:57:53.757-04:002011-10-07T11:57:53.757-04:00Layman Barney said...
genkaku said...
"No on...Layman Barney said...<br />genkaku said...<br /><br />"No one sings it, exactly ... there's just a background chorus of humming as the sun sinks softly in the west and the credits roll."<br /><br />Oh! I see!!<br /><br />Kind of relaxing, isn't it? Hmm_Hmm Hmmm_Hmm Hmm_Hmmm Kumbaya....<br /><br />A guy named Pat used to chant the Heart Sutra just like that! Couldn't get PBS to tape it though.<br /><br />Anyway, no disrespect to Shinge. No doubt she's doing her best to filling the niche for those needing the best of the Dharma Nannies.<br /><br />OK kids it's nap time. We want to be bushy and bright eyed for when moms and nannies get here.<br /><br />"I love you, you love me we're a happy fam-a-lee.<br />With a great big hug and a kiss from me to you.<br />Won't you day you love me too?"<br />September 27, 2011 3:01 PM<br /><br /><br />Shodo said...<br />^<br />|<br />|<br /><br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=9jUjA5eJdpU&feature=related<br />September 27, 2011 5:55 PM<br /><br /><br />-(Bob West) said...<br />Shodo said...<br />^<br />|<br />|<br /><br />Thanks, Shodo.<br /><br />-(Bob W.)<br />September 27, 2011 11:53 PM<br /><br /><br />Shodo said...<br />anytime;)<br />September 27, 2011 11:57 PMgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-42198429378940572022011-10-07T11:56:59.047-04:002011-10-07T11:56:59.047-04:00MEA MAXIMA CULPA!!!!
In the process of trying to ...MEA MAXIMA CULPA!!!!<br /><br />In the process of trying to delete "test" postings earlier in the blog, I accidentally deleted a whole lot of other stuff back to Sept. 26. Here, some combined, and thanks to the help of a friend who saves this stuff, is a multiple-post reposting:<br /><br /><br />Kumbaya, Lord, Kumbaya ... said...<br />Oy vey, kumbaya!<br />September 27, 2011 1:10 PM<br /><br /><br />Layman Barney said...<br />Some thing was off for me with the notion of using the Samoans Circle. Today I made a connection between the circle and talk that sounded like it was addressing 4th graders.<br /><br />Since one video must be worth at least, what, 256k words here's my current take on some of the thought processes going on in 2nd generation Shimanoism.<br /><br />Teacher Tips for Circle Time by Ms. Charme<br />http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=J82VeaLXzXk<br /><br />Seriously, does anyone know if Shinge has any other online teishos other than the one linked to a couple of months back. You remember, the one that sounded like she was addressing nine year olds? Or is that an indication of her idea of Top Shelf Zen?<br />September 27, 2011 1:28 PM<br /><br /><br />Singing and Dancing said...<br />Kumbaya, Lord, Kumbaya ... said...<br />"Oy vey, kumbaya!"<br /><br />You can't sing Kumbaya in a Zen Monastery, you silly goose.<br />September 27, 2011 1:41 PM<br /><br /><br />genkaku said...<br />No one sings it, exactly ... there's just a background chorus of humming as the sun sinks softly in the west and the credits roll.<br />September 27, 2011 2:06 PMgenkakuhttps://www.blogger.com/profile/12135705172119950326noreply@blogger.comtag:blogger.com,1999:blog-4904219782540965444.post-43594752896117502062011-09-26T15:58:09.922-04:002011-09-26T15:58:09.922-04:00Shodo,
searching on google image with Daido Loori...Shodo,<br /><br />searching on google image with Daido Loori Tractor got a color pic of the red tractor and one black and white - but not the one from the other url which shows him from the back - looking behind.Olivianoreply@blogger.com