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I originally posted this in November last year. Later, I collected it with other posts I considered removing from this blog. Later still, it was suggested I put the posts back ... which I did. Today I got a call from someone who was looking for this particular post and was having a hard time finding it because it was in among other posts headed "putting it back." So ... I am giving it back its own space and title for whoever might find it useful.
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Thursday, November 12, 2009
letter to Eido Tai Shimano
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What follows is a letter I wrote in 1982 to Eido Tai Shimano, the chief executive of Zen Studies Society in New York and Dai Bosatsu Monastery in upstate New York. Mr. Shimano is a Zen teacher.
The reason for posting a letter of so many years ago is not to open the old wounds that bled freely in their time. Nor is it to deny that Zen Buddhism in America has made great strides when it comes to the sexual and financial abuses that it has faced and continues to face from time to time. Nor is it to suggest that I have not been a hypocrite. Nor is it to elevate my own status as a rebel or nay-sayer or promoter of some one true virtue. I too love Zen Buddhism both in its directions and in its experiential truth.
I am posting it as a reminder that the past is or can be very much the present and further that the 'scandals' that have occurred involved very real and particular people and that those people suffered in ways that are contrary to Zen Buddhist teaching. Not for nothing did the teachers of the past make upsetting the sangha a no-no. Not for nothing did they encourage repentance when it was warranted. And not for nothing were they aware that in the human sphere, however elevated and adored, the room for error was and remains a very real possibility.
November 1, 1982
The Rev. Eido Tai Shimano
New York Zendo
223 East 67th St.
New York, NY 11021
Dear Mr. Shimano:
Thank you for your creative letter of Oct. 19, 1982 with its equally masterful enclosure of Oct. 21 to Mr. George (Jochi) Zournas. I must say that as I began to read your work I felt some vestigial hope that you might in fact clear the air, turn some metaphorical corner and clarify what, over the years, has become murky with the stuff that Soen Roshi has learned to call your “lies.” By the time I finished reading your words, I was, of course, disappointed if not surprised.
“So much sitting, so many sesshins, so many dokusans…” and still Soen Roshi calls you a liar. Could you tell me why? Is this perhaps another encouragement to “bravely march on?” Coming as Soen Roshi does out of a society that takes pride in indirection, still he uses this most direct word, “liar.” Why? Coming as he does out of a discipline that enjoins confession and straight-forwardness, he calls you a liar. Why? Among the monks at Dai Bosatsu last summer you managed to plant the idea that Soen Roshi was an alcoholic and/or senile. But why would a senile alcoholic even bother to call you a liar? Politics, you say? – because Soen Roshi wants Dai Bosatsu, to become king of the some American Zen castle? If Soen Roshi actually did want Dai Bosatsu, why not give it to him? Do you not owe him a great debt for his teaching, perhaps as Torei felt he owed Hakuin? As a ‘true man without rank,’ with so many sesshins, so much sitting, and so many dokusans behind you, surely you recognize that the toys of Zen Buddhism – the robes and monasteries and power – are only dreams. Could you, a ‘Zen Mater,’ be fooled by a dream?
But this, of course, is not your understanding. Your understanding seems to be that They are all out to get you – you who are blameless in administration, honest in the dokusan room, pure and “fair” and deserving of respect from those who support and make possible your meaning as a person of rank. It is the questioners who are “insane” or full of “intense personal hatred” or want Your zendo or want Your monastery or hate you because you have money and they have not or don’t understand the ‘Japanese’ group and you…you bear it all so remarkably well, so staunch and patient. You are really very good at it: masterful, if not the master.
Besides those Jochi George Zournas mentioned in his letter (those Others who were out to get you), I would like to take this opportunity to recollect some others, perhaps not quite so august, who have left our own sangha. I am not now referring to those who left because they moved or to those who made an easy personal choice, but rather to those who left after some discovery in that beautiful zendo where there is room for our lifelong practice. True, some left in anger or confusion, but what was it they really discovered? Is it possible they discovered what Soen Roshi called your “lies?” I really don’t know, but I recollect them now and express my sorrow at their leaving: Daishin Peter Gamby, Maishin Mike Sopko, Reimon Ray Crivello, Genmyo Elihu Smith, Sojun George Seraganian, Bunyu David Bogart, Roca Lorca Morello (all of whom were residents as Sho Bo Ji with your blessings),Kanzan Bruce Rickenbacker (your monk who memorized the whole of the Diamond Sutra), Daiko Charles Carpenter (another of your monks), Shoro Lou Nordstrom (another of your monks), Kozen Peter Kaufman (another of your monks), Jonen Sheila Carmen (pseudonym), Wendy Megerman, Nennen Merry White, Toni Snow, Reishu Jim Gordon, Shinso Merete Galesi, Ishin Peter Mathiessen, Jean Day, Carol Binswanger, Jochi George Zournas, Wado Vicki Gerdy, Rinko Peggy Crawford and Mushin Frank LoCicero. You will recall, or course, that, over the years, the list has grown much, much, much longer and is filled with people who did not show sufficient “skepticism about rumors,” as you so quaintly put it.
How many of them came to you directly in 1975 and 1979 (when what were humorously referred to as the “Fuck Follies I” and the ”Fuck Follies II” were unveiled)? How many? Was it 10 or perhaps 20? Without any exception I know of, each of those who came to you directly came in a spirit of admiration and love, in hopes of clarifying a delicate matter without public exposure. The situation: your manipulation of the dokusan setting for your own periodic sexual satisfaction (seducing women); treating lovers taken from within the sangha with contempt once you had finished with them; and taking no candid responsibility for your own behavior but rather answering direct, honest and caring queries with, in one form or another, the line you used in a jam-packed zendo in 1975: “It’s none of your business.”
The line of people outside your door is long, very, very long. In my mind, they wait silently – the They and Them whom you so easily accuse of insanity or intense personal hatred. A long line of crazy people outside your door. What brought them there? Even crazy people have their reasons, don’t you agree?
Look! There’s Merry White. Remember her? She was the one who sent a letter to the Board of Trustees in 1979 outlining without rancor your sexual blackmail. It was she who wrote: “Personally, I found his (your) seductions very distracting and jarring during the first Kessei…I wonder now if I would not have been a better student in the long run without it. ... And last year (1978) during my second stay at Dai Bosatsu, it hurt me that he treated me very distantly for quite a while. When he warmed up, it became sexual again. That kind of either/or situation made it very difficult for me (or, I would think, any woman) to be his student. You want his attention and his help, and that, I think, is how it begins. He takes this emotional opening-up, which is normal and right in a spiritual student-teacher relationship, as a sign of sexual readiness.” Clearly the Board of Trustees, your Board of Trustees, took the only possible sane action by never fully discussing the matter and by issuing a letter, signed by Korin Sylvan Busch stating, “we affirm our confidence in Eido Roshi and his leadership of our sangha.”
And there’s Jane Smith (pseudonym)! Remember her? December 24, 1977, Room 1100A at the Statler Hilton after dinner at Mama Leone’s. Remember how the board of Trustees covered that one when Jochi and Korin, at whose instigation I can only guess, spread lies and rumors about Jane – how she was only dreaming of an affair with you? And how even Jane was drawn into the lies and told them on herself because she believed the truth would be harmful to you and to Zen practice in America? She was the same one who commented later in front of witnesses that “he (you) never even said thank you.”
And Carmen!… But of course you will recall this and much, much more.
On and on and on it goes down that long, long line. Person after person, Bodhisattva after crazy Bodhisattva, each of them willing their suspicions to silence. How is it possible they were so willing, so stupid? Perhaps it was because many people begin their spiritual practice with the understanding that the ascendancy they have previously granted to their emotions and intellect is the source of much suffering. Because of that pain, they were willing to set aside their own emotions and intellect (to the extent possible), and to be as faithful and obedient as possible. Perhaps they counseled themselves that intellect and emotion are more delusion. And perhaps they trusted that your emotions and thoughts were not based in delusion. This trust, however misguided, was surely human and understandable. Unfortunately, it was and is open to manipulation and deceit. There are many I know, myself among them, who practiced with you and were grateful to you, until, a little at a time, they began to wonder. In their wondering, they came to you in their twos and threes and tens, not even caring very much that you took lovers on the side, but curious about a wider pattern of contempt and manipulation. No doubt you saw them as insane people out to take your toys. Well, they didn’t get them, did they?
To some you said your Japanese heritage and samurai code of honor kept you from understanding or responding to these puritanical “barbarians.” Isn’t it odd for a so-called Zen Master who has lived in America for 20 years to claim he understands neither his students nor his environment? Isn’t such a person in the wrong line of work? No doubt it is equally insane to suggest that a real Japanese man would know something of discretion and that a true samurai would not exhibit contempt and dishonesty towards those in his own circle of honorable endeavor.
Of course it was more difficult to use this line on Dr. Tadao Ogura, the psychiatrist who offered to act as arbitrator in the present upheaval. He was the one who suggested taking three “impartial” observers from the sangha with him when he listened to the direct testimony of those involved. The group would then have reported to the Board of Trustees, your own Board of Trustees. Perhaps he too was one of the insane ones, the ones who had to be stopped. And stopped he was when Korin Sylvan Busch, at whose instigation I can only guess, let it be known that three “impartial” sangha members could not be found.
The long line outside your door does not say these things. They are silent. They are gone. It is I who say them, I, Kigen. I take responsibility for saying what I have said and doing what I have done. I have company, but I take responsibility for myself. I am one of Them, those Others whose fault it all is, one of the ones who supported you well, offered you gratitude, did his best to practice the Zen Buddhism of the Patriarchs, lied or remained silent for you on numbers of occasions, lied or remained silent to myself about you, endured and perpetuated your deceits, and, finally...went...”insane.”
It is out of that insanity that I also offer you my most sincere and honest thanks. I offer thanks without irony or sarcasm. You have taught me well and I am grateful. Besides the mechanics of Zen Buddhism, you have also taught me what a Zen Master is not – a teaching worthy of a true Zen Master. Although your teaching lacked the creative clarity, the nurturing of the Buddha Dharma, and the straight-forwardness of a truly enlightened man, still I say your teaching was fine. As I value my life, my Zen practice, so I value this teaching.
This is a time for potential new beginnings – yours, mine, the sangha’s. Always new beginnings. I pray now and will continue to pray that each of us may one day face death with strong, even breaths and perhaps a small smile of true understanding.
Thank you and goodbye.
Adam Fisher
It was during that same time period that I heard perhaps the sharpest rebuke I have ever heard in my life. At one point, Soen Roshi was talking face to face with Mr. Shimano and discussing the reported disharmony Mr. Shimano played a role in. Mr. Shimano offered his responses. And Soen Roshi reportedly said sadly, "Now it comes -- dead rock!"
"So I feel good about her upcoming vice-abbott installation, this is the case, she's come a long way and has been part of ZSS since their earliest days. We must keep these great places of practice going, so I say, you go girl!! Give her a chance, she may have a lot to contribute."
ReplyDeleteIt would be nice if there was good, clear headed practice at Sho Bo Ji and Kongo Ji. But is there really?
Re-examine the position that caused you to write
"Shinge Roshi can be seen as a victim who suffered and overcame being used and discarded by Eido and who healed herself. Her story looks this way. What give it a twist though is the fact she can still work with victimizer."
Then consider reading up a little about dysfunctional families and organizations.
How do you know that by supporting Ms. Chayat as Vice Abbot, your are not just allowing 46 years of dysfunction to continue in those zendos and in that organization?
But, _you_ support her, why?
Because you like her? Not enough!
She's a nice lady? Not enough!
She has charisma? Not enough!
Gives good talks? Not enough!
Do you really know her, then, what are her plans?
What changes is she proposing to make ZSS, Sho Bo Ji and Kongo Ji healthy places to train?
ZSS is a really troubled organization (just look at the preceding discussion concerning the By Laws), so if you don't know know her well; if your don't know her thinking; if you don't know her plans and proposals why on earth would you even consider supporting her?
"The Abbot of the Society shall serve as spiritual leader and Chairperson of the Board until he or she dies, resigns, is unfit to carry out his/her functions, or becomes incapacitated."
ReplyDeleteEido Shimano resigned as chairperson of ZSS Board. He has chosen a sucessor and named a retirement date as abbot.
Read it and weep. No revenge.
PLEASE NOTE ....PLEASE NOTE....PLEASE NOTE
ReplyDeleteIt has been brought to my attention AGAIN that postings to this thread have been hacked or deleted.
If you post something and it does not show up in the blog, please email the comment to me (genkakukigen@aol.com) and I will do my best to post it myself.
I am sorry for the inconvenience ... and for the shallow idiocy of those who feel these antics are necessary.
Anon August 23, 12:43 AM said
ReplyDelete"Shinge Roshi can be seen as a victim who suffered and overcame being used and discarded by Eido and who healed herself. Her story looks this way. What give it a twist though is the fact she can still work with victimizer."
well, it sounds like Stockholm syndrome.
"well, it sounds like Stockholm syndrome."
ReplyDeleteSeems to me that most of the comments on this site could be so described.
All of us are still emotionally attached to some kind of harm and do our best at times to sublimate responsibility for dealing into it with blaming someone else.
If we took half of the time and half of the energy we now use, in creative rumor mongering and innuendo as smear, and used it to get some unbiased help for our own "troubled" state, this site could go blip.
This comment has been removed by the author.
ReplyDeleteNo ... sublimate responsibility and blaming
ReplyDeletesomeone else is not a symptom of Stockholm
syndrome. This syndrom relates to the behavior
of victims that symphatise to its victimizer
or predators.
Go blip? If Vietnam war was not reported,
if Pearl Harbour was not reported, if Iraq
war was not reported ... they would go blip
in our psyche too. In other words, unwholesome
acts are OK, violating precepts are OK ...
because it will go blip. What a Dharma!
Genkaku,
ReplyDeleteRe:
"PLEASE NOTE ....PLEASE NOTE....PLEASE NOTE
It has been brought to my attention AGAIN that postings to this thread have been hacked or deleted."
Was this done by you or not?
"genkaku said...
"This post has been removed by the author.
"August 23, 2010 1:04 PM"
I am not sure about that entry or about hacking and deleting but I am sure about something that appears to be such.
The comment section comes in on some kind of strange paging format.
Look at the very last comment of any given section you will see below and to the right the some combination of something like the following.
«Oldest ‹Older 201 – 400 of 407 Newer› Newest»
Twice I thought that my comments were lost, deleted, or that you decided to approve them. I finally figured out that not only they were posted at the very end of the comment section but each time I was "fortunate" enough to start a new "page."
However if do think that the blog is being hacked I hope you change the password and notify the Blogspot security people.
With the exception of spam, or something clearly irrelevant I hope we can have freedom of expression as I find many of the topics covered here on this blog and this particular post on Eido Tai Shimano very helpful in clarifying some issues that have been put aside for too many years.
Thank you.
"Was this done by you or not?
ReplyDelete"genkaku said...
"This post has been removed by the author.
"August 23, 2010 1:04 PM""
I deleted what amounted to the repetition of an earlier post I couldn't at first find; then I found it; then I deleted the second, repeat post.
Yes, I don't thing so either-- that Shinge Roshi's experience can be characterized as stockholm syndrome. It doesn't apply to her case. She was not a hostage, though some may argue within the dokusan room a student could be, But also, there must be the element of knowing one's life is in danger, the possibility of imminent death must be present and real for one to have the paradoxical, psychological experience of identifying with your captors and even praising them. Patty Heart is a perfect example of such. But a student who enters into an affair with her teacher never would feel her life is in danger if she doesn't sleep with him, would she?
ReplyDeleteAnon 8/23 @ 1052 said:
ReplyDeleteZSS is a really troubled organization (just look at the preceding discussion concerning the By Laws), so if you don't know know her well; if your don't know her thinking; if you don't know her plans and proposals why on earth would you even consider supporting her?
I don't know Shinge Roshi personally and I don't feel I need to know her to support her as a teacher--she is after all, a zen priest interested in propagating the positive effects of the practice of zazen. This is why I support her. Hopefully, she will keep the form and structure of the practice she inherited from EIdo Roshi mostly intact and not introduce any changes. Because she is a teacher of zazen is why I support her. Because she acknowledges the power and value of this practice so much she has dedicated her life to it.
"I don't know Shinge Roshi personally and I don't feel I need to know her to support her as a teacher--she is after all, a zen priest interested in propagating the positive effects of the practice of zazen. This is why I support her."
ReplyDeleteThis is one of the silliest posts I have seen here. You don't know her but know she is "a zen priest interested in propagating the positive effects of the practice of zazen."
The only message you are giving is you defend Shimano and his sex friend Roko at any cost completely ignoring what they did or didn't prevent. A poor guy, completely brain washed...
Many sources say Shimano has absolutely no remorse and actually thinks he is a victim.
ReplyDeleteIs he a human or devil?
"I don't know Shinge Roshi personally and I don't feel I need to know her to support her as a teacher--she is after all, a zen priest interested in propagating the positive effects of the practice of zazen. This is why I support her. Hopefully, she will keep the form and structure of the practice she inherited from EIdo Roshi mostly intact and not introduce any changes. Because she is a teacher of zazen is why I support her. Because she acknowledges the power and value of this practice so much she has dedicated her life to it."
ReplyDeleteI know others who also think in this way. I'm sorry, but I really don't think it sounds much like Buddhism, Zen or otherwise. It does remind me of the Vatican's initial reaction to its manipulative priests.
Please reconsider.
The one who wrote this
ReplyDelete"I don't know Shinge Roshi personally and I don't feel I need to know her to support her as a teacher--she is after all, a zen priest interested in propagating the positive effects of the practice of zazen. This is why I support her."
belongs to one of these choice:
1) suffered twisted logic. If she/he does
not know, how he/she can support her and
know that she practises the way ES does.
2) he/she is permanently and deeply enligthened
so no logic is necessary.
Hopefully he/she belongs to the second
category, so I might learn from him/her.
"Many sources say Shimano has absolutely no remorse and actually thinks he is a victim.
ReplyDeleteIs he a human or devil?"
Yes ... many said so. The propaganda
and deception machine is start running.
And now this ES machine is rather smart.
One of the deception tries to take the
advantage of American weakness (believe
so much in quantitative). If say the number
of victims are about 30 and his students
who did dokusan etc total more than 5000.
So 30 is negligable, an abberant so to speak.
In other words he can have sex more but
he still retrained himself. Or killing 100
people is OK as long as 15000 people are
happy. Is it Dharma or Drama?
This is part of the 'propaganda machine' speaking: There is a lot of paranoia here. Train hard time is short.
ReplyDeleteIn other words he can have sex more but
ReplyDeletehe still retrained himself. Or killing 100
people is OK as long as 15000 people are
happy. Is it Dharma or Drama?
August 24, 2010 4:39 PM
Well, this is definitely drama.
Anonymous August 24, 2010 8:14 PM
ReplyDelete"This is part of the 'propaganda machine' speaking: There is a lot of paranoia here. Train hard time is short."
Care to separate the truth from the paranoia and present it?
Anonymous August 24, 2010 3:51 PM wrote:
ReplyDelete"Many sources say Shimano has absolutely no remorse and actually thinks he is a victim.
Is he a human or devil?"
When the know facts of his life are taken into account the closest profile match is anti-social disorder.
Anonymous August 24, 2010 3:32 PM wrote:
ReplyDelete"...
"This is one of the silliest posts I have seen here. You don't know her but know she is 'a zen priest interested in propagating the positive effects of the practice of zazen.'
"The only message you are giving is you defend Shimano and his sex friend Roko at any cost completely ignoring what they did or didn't prevent. A poor guy, completely brain washed..."
In an effort to try to understand why, in spite of what is know about ETS and ZSS there have always been those who seem to blindly or steadfastly support Shimano and now, perhaps, Chayat, I have been doing a little research.
This evening I found an article that is worth reading by folks who were in the past or are at present practicing at the temples or affiliates of Zen Studies Society and, perhaps, other organizations as well.
It is a clinical psychology paper and is a little dense. Of course not each element applies exactly to what has gone on with ETS and ZSS, but there are a great number of elements that have gone on and others elements worth thinking about.
"Antisocial Personality Disorder in Cult Leaders and Induction of Dependent Personality Disorder in Cult Members"
- John Burke, Ph.D.
http://www.postmormon.org/exp_e/index.php?ACT=41&fid=5&aid=3167_vEDj7f7He8D7t8U2UcBv&board_id=1
Among the points made is one about leaders who are primarily "prosocial" and primarily "antisocial."
Also, this paper addresses some of my concerns about the steadfast supporters. It discusses what happens to people who enter the sphere of leaders with antisocial personalities. As expected, If they stay on they not only take on characteristics of the leader(s). What was unexpected is they also may develop a dependent personality disorder.
Translate the worst clinical implications of this into real world events and, as we have already seen, the results are heart breaking.
Dear members of the "propaganda machine" and other supporters of Ms. Chayat,
ReplyDeleteThis opinion really troubles me: "Hopefully, she will keep the form and structure of the practice she inherited from Eido Roshi mostly intact and not introduce any changes."
In my opinion, only someone who has never actually practiced with an excellent teacher could say such a thing. The fact is that there is a major problem with Eido's method per se, even without all the sex abuse. I noticed it right away in sesshins run by him, as well as another one of his "dharma heirs". To paraphrase Eizan Goto, current abbot of Ryutaku-ji, if a man takes a single step in the wrong direction, after forty years he's damn far from the starting point, let alone the goal.
As Jushin and others have already pointed out, the very formal method at DBZ is clearly set up to maximise the glorification and isolation of the teacher and avoid any real-life, spontaneous situations. The only time you get to interact with him at all is in dokusan, which happens an amazing three times a day. Even at Ryutaku-ji, dokusan is only twice a day during sesshin. This fact, coupled with the veil of "mystery" and confidentiality surrounding dokusan at DBZ, and the students' tragic willingness to ignore their better judgments, is a recipe for disaster even if the teacher isn't (or not at first!) a sociopath. Remember that Soen Roshi told his students to only come to dokusan "if they really had to". This is a far cry from the current practice at DBZ.
Another point is teisho. Eido's teishos are well-rehearsed, intellectual affairs, full of premeditated jokes and ponderous pauses calculated for maximum effect. This only impresses people who have never seen what real Zen can be. They evidently forget that teisho is not about content, but about communicating who you really are. In a sense, Eido does this very well: he clearly is an arrogant, manipulative person! But again, if you've never seen anything else you don't notice the manipulation. After forty years he is an expert at working his Western audiences - and his successors have obviously been learning from him.
So, although generally speaking people should probably stick with one teacher and his method, even if it isn't "perfect", in this case the whole thing is rotten to the core. Zazen is really very easy to do - no need to expose yourself to distracting - even clearly dangerous - other crap, in the name of tradition or whatever.
As genkaku says: please reconsider!
Sad part nothing will changes under the current governance structure of ZSS...
ReplyDelete@ Christopher
ReplyDeleteSome very insightful and astute observations... very well said.
Article V definitely cannot replace an abbot
ReplyDeleteand cannot pick the vice abbot. In other
words there is a potentiality ZSS belongs
to a family (abbot, his/her son or daughters,
etc)
The next question, can the Board change bylaws?
What percentage of majority can change it?
If they cannot change it, well the only way
to change it is by external legal proceeding.
In a dictatorship, all laws and constitution
were written just to perpetuate the ruler
(alhthouh he/she might be benevolent). The
only way to change it is by external force
(the people) not by its government organ.
For ZSS there is no the people (sangha)
because it has been changed to non-membership
corporation.
As Jushin and others have already pointed out, the very formal method at DBZ is clearly set up to maximise the glorification and isolation of the teacher and avoid any real-life, spontaneous situations. The only time you get to interact with him at all is in dokusan, which happens an amazing three times a day. Even at Ryutaku-ji, dokusan is only twice a day during sesshin. This fact, coupled with the veil of "mystery" and confidentiality surrounding dokusan at DBZ, and the students' tragic willingness to ignore their better judgments, is a recipe for disaster even if the teacher isn't (or not at first!) a sociopath. Remember that Soen Roshi told his students to only come to dokusan "if they really had to". This is a far cry from the current practice at DBZ.
ReplyDeleteThis is sophomoric. This is really childish criticism. He makes us go to dokusan so he can be glorified, bowed down to and worshiped? Mt. Baldy has 4 times a day dokusan--mandatory. Sasaki must be really in need of attention?
I love Eido's and DBZ's sesshin and stlye. Long sits, lots of keisaku and the beautiful surrounding forests. There really is no place in the US with such a perfect practice style and environment. It just so sad, he has had to deal with this addiction/weakness of his. May Shinge Roshi maintain the Rinzai style she inherited! No circle discussion groups during sesshin!! :) (a little yoga, ok,-just a little) Let Rinzai zen continue without any change at DBZ after Eido is gone!!
And throwing Eido in with Charles Manson, Jim Jones and other 'cult' leaders is preposterous. Your research is faulty. Except for the sex problems he has, Eido does not have antisocial personality disorder, as much as you would like him to have it so that he will fit into your nice little neat box of nothingness. Do some more research. O wait, maybe I could add the criterion of 'aggressiveness' now that I remember that time he whacked me so many times with the keisaku while I was getting a nap on the cushion I felt he was being just a bit personal. But that still doesn't meet the rest of the criteria for APD. Be careful up there at DBZ during the next meteor showers Eido might suggest you all drink a potion to put you to sleep so your souls can hitch a ride on a comet leaving for another galaxy. Hang on!!
ReplyDeleteDenial is not a river in Egypt.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 1239 p.m.
ReplyDelete"Profile of the Sociopath
This website summarizes some of the common features of descriptions of the behavior of sociopaths.
* Glibness and Superficial Charm
* Manipulative and Conning
They never recognize the rights of others and see their self-serving behaviors as permissible. They appear to be charming, yet are covertly hostile and domineering, seeing their victim as merely an instrument to be used. They may dominate and humiliate their victims.
* Grandiose Sense of Self
Feels entitled to certain things as "their right."
* Pathological Lying
Has no problem lying coolly and easily and it is almost impossible for them to be truthful on a consistent basis. Can create, and get caught up in, a complex belief about their own powers and abilities. Extremely convincing and even able to pass lie detector tests.
* Lack of Remorse, Shame or Guilt
A deep seated rage, which is split off and repressed, is at their core. Does not see others around them as people, but only as targets and opportunities. Instead of friends, they have victims and accomplices who end up as victims. The end always justifies the means and they let nothing stand in their way."
This is just the beginning of the description, which can be found in full at: http://www.mcafee.cc/Bin/sb.html
To Anonymous August 25 12:39 p.m.
ReplyDeleteSex problem is one thing, but
I think you forget at least two things.
1) Deceiving Sangha. The very fact that
he was willing to sign (at least to agree)
a letter (proposed by board?) indicating
that he had no sexual relationship anymore
exactly one day before the woman confession.
Can you imagine if that letter was published
already? Deceiving public and Sangha is
worse than having sexual relationship. In fact
if you are listening to his Teisho, either
at DBZ and Shobo-ji, they only revealed
partial facts. Example: He always claimed
that Carlson family supported him as spiritual
leader. It is partial truth (prior to 1980).
You can read Dorris Carlson letter written
in 1982. In my opinion, he should not tell
partial truth, better did not mention at all
about this.
2) Splitting the Sangha as the results. It
is considered the heinous crime in Buddhism.
The very fact that there is schism in this
forum, also at Shobo-ji and DBZ just confirm
this. We have to be careful with our practice.
Our practice is supposed to be integrated with
compassion and wisdom. Our practice cannot
be based only on "I-me-mine" conveniences,
either in the form of beautiful ritual, or
how many dokusans we have in one day. Dokusan
does not mean anything if it only justification
of our discriminating intelectuals (better
you take PhD degree).
This drama is very unfortunate indeed ...
it ruins even the Maha-Sangha not only
ZSS.
He has expressed remorse for his behavior and its resultant divisiveness amongst the sangha. To the sangha. This has been done. He is weak/addicted man who can't work around attractive women without attempting to sedue them. And yes, he has used his position as head teacher to take advantage of potential victims. Not allowing him to see any new students is a protective measure that should be effective. Many will not accept such gestures as not enough.
ReplyDeleteProfile of a Sociopath--Monday night at 9pm channel 7. Next, psychopath links, and comparisions to Ted Bundy are not far behind
When he expressed remorse to the sangha?
ReplyDeleteAnd what did he do to the victims, also
sangha members, aren't they? What did
he do to the former (senior) monks that
do not agree with his conduct? If you learn
genuine buddhism, you know the way to
reconciliation and ES has not shown this.
It is not difficult is to say sorry facing
the victims or the critics, if we have no
ego. It will be very transparent. But if
we have thick ego as high as Himalaya, then
what is the purpose of practising with a man
who is teaching egolessness yet he is
watering his own ego? It means you are
facing a deceiving man and you agree being
deceived. Of course it is your choice, but
once again it is not Buddhism. Learning
spirituality and 'targeting' enlightenment is
not the monopoly of Buddhism or Zen. But it
is a deceit to say we teach zen/buddhism if
it is in fact is not the practice of zen/
buddhism.
Some people even say that the critics have
motives and objectives. I agree with
my friend who said,
"of course they have motive, if a person
attacks anybody without motive, he/she is
very dangerous. He must be an animal
or a psycopath. A critics from a normal
person must have motives. The question is
whether the motive is constructive or
destructive".
Well, in oriental tradition there is a saying
(ES knows this) "The mirror is smashed because
we cannot stand to see our true face".
I am very sorry ... I have to say all this.
He has apologized in the past and makes reference to his character deficits in his talks. Probably something he will be doing more of in the near future. He needs to do this. And it would benefit the maha-sangha in general if he would make a more public statement. Perhaps those close to him can encourage him to do this. As difficult as this will be for him in his pride, it needs to be done.
ReplyDeleteIt is sad to have to speak of these things. But thanks to Genkaku for giving us this forum to vent and rage.
When was the supposed admission to a sex addiction made?
ReplyDeleteSince some don't like his being consider as having an antisocial personality disorder, here's an apparent alternative -- narcissism
ReplyDeletefrom wikipedia.org
Characteristics of Narcissism:
Shamelessness - Shame is the feeling that lurks beneath all unhealthy narcissism, and the inability to process shame in healthy ways.
Magical thinking - Narcissists see themselves as perfect using distortion and illusion known as magical thinking. They also use projection to dump shame onto others.
Arrogance - A narcissist who is feeling deflated may reinflate by diminishing, debasing, or degrading somebody else.
Envy - A narcissist may secure a sense of superiority in the face of another person's ability by using contempt to minimize the other person.
Entitlement - Narcissists hold unreasonable expectations of particularly favorable treatment and automatic compliance because they consider themselves special. Any failure to comply will be considered an attack on their superiority and the perpetrator is considered to be an "awkward" or "difficult" person. Defiance of their will is a narcissistic injury that can trigger narcissistic rage.
Exploitation - can take many forms but always involves the exploitation of others without regard for their feelings or interests. Often the other is in a subservient position where resistance would be difficult or even impossible. Sometimes the subservience is not so much real as assumed.
Bad Boundaries - narcissists do not recognize that they have boundaries and that others are separate and are not extensions of themselves. Others either exist to meet their needs or may as well not exist at all. Those who provide narcissistic supply to the narcissist will be treated as if they are part of the narcissist and be expected to live up to those expectations. In the mind of a narcissist, there is no boundary between self and other.
In addition there is what is called "Millon's variations"
Theodore Millon identified five variations of narcissist. Any individual narcissist may exhibit none or one of the following:
Unprincipled narcissist - including antisocial features. A charlatan - is a
fraudulent, exploitative, deceptive and unscrupulous individual.
Amorous narcissist - including histrionic features. The Don Juan or Casanova of our times - is erotic, exhibitionist.
Compensatory narcissist - including negativistic (passive-aggressive), avoidant features.
Elitist narcissist - variant of pure pattern. Corresponds to Wilhelm Reich's "phallic narcissistic" personality type.
Fanatic type - including paranoid features. A severely narcissistically wounded individual, usually with major paranoid tendencies who holds onto an illusion of omnipotence. These people are fighting the reality of their insignificance and lost value and are trying to re-establish their self-esteem through grandiose fantasies and self-reinforcement. When not able to gain recognition of support from others, they take on the role of a heroic or worshipped person with a grandiose mission.
Much of his behavior can be seen as narcissistic as well as antisocial.
Beginning with his beloved song "To Dream the Impossible Dream..." And continuing with his Mandala theme.
This aspect also seems to apply:
Cross-cultural narcissism
Lachkar describes the phenomena of cross-cultural narcissism thus: "The cross-cultural narcissist brings to his new country a certain amount of nationalistic pride, which he holds onto relentlessly. He refuses to adapt and will go to great lengths to maintain his sense of special identity. Cross-cultural narcissists often hook up with borderline women, who tend to idealize and be mesmerized by men from another culture."
Wow!
He didn't admit to being sex-addict, using this terminology. He apologized and acknowledged his behavior has caused pain and divisiveness in the sangha. Per my sourse, he has made many apologies to the sangha, though little good they've done. He obvious can't control his behavior.
ReplyDeleteCheck out this re: Shimano's narcissism and magical thinking.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=70,8480,0,0,1,0
To Anonymous 2:34 and 3:04 PM ( I guess the
ReplyDeletesame person, pardon me if I am wrong).
Can I ask you three simple questions:
1) If you have a daughter, and knowing your
daughter is weak (you are her parent) and
knowing ES conducts, are you worried or not
when your daughter doing kessei with ES?
2) What would you do after you made confession
that you caused pain and divisiveness in the
sangha?
3) If you killed someone (physically or
psychologically) what would you do to the
victims?
Please contemplate this in zazen (before
doing Mu).
I'm sure many of us are appreciative for the research you are doing to help us understand Eido and his behavior. But listing of the these various diagnoses and there symptoms is just too generalized to help out here. In order to get a specific diagnosis for EIdo he would have to agree to be evaluated and assessed by a psychiatric professional, not some disgruntled former student with a grudge, who may even be a psych professional him/herself. Better to bring in someone unbiased. Though, Eido, most likely would not consent.
ReplyDeleteTo 3:30 PM
ReplyDeleteThere was one evaluation already in 60's,
if I am not mistaken. By the Japanese
psycholog. What more do we seek?
The most important one is to let ES retire
as abbot sooner before encrouching back like
the last time. My guess Jan 2011 is good
enough. How is about the monks and nuns in
training? Let them finish his training
with ES although he assumes a new position as
a retired abbot. Let ES not be allowed to
receive new unsui. How is about the senior
monks and nuns who threaten to leave if ES
retire? Let them leave, even the history of
Zen is full of story about senior monks
leaving his monastry to practise somewhere
else. ES left Kengan Goto to study with
Soen, Soen leaft his ordination teacher
to study with Gempo.
Second important point ZSS board should
reformat the bylaws. Consulting FTI or
San Fransisco Zen Center (suffered almost
the same situation as ZSS) is good, but
you need to do that ... do not wait till
next kalpa.
To anon 3:28:
ReplyDelete1. I would warn my daughter of Eido's tendency to seduce young, attractive females, first. And I would counsel her if she would not be attracted to him herself, to not be afraid to tell him this, but in a civil way. That she came here to learn and practice zen meditation. Then, most importantly, ask him, after refusing his advances--straightout: "If I don't sleep with you can I still live here and pursue my interest in zen meditation". Sad as this may sound.
2. I would try to change the pain inducing behavior
3. Apologize.
To anonymous 3:30 p.m.
ReplyDeleteI agree that long-distance analysis is suggestive at best and stupid at worst.
Therefore ....
Bystanders are left, as we all are with friends and enemies, gauging the ACTIONS of the person in question. Motives, meanings, sources, conclusions, depictions, spiritual wand-waving etc. may be good enough for beer-drinking debates, but in ACTIONS we can assess with more reliability. Not perfect, perhaps, but some actions are worthy of the word, "no!"
From 3:28 to 3:57
ReplyDeleteThat is it. I bow 3x to you.
Ven Osho on controversy...Yes communication is important Ven Osho.. Join the argument. I see, the real work is being done in the prisons where murderers and rapists and other felons are deserving of your compassion. But the teacher who put you in those black robes and fancy raksus--he's a psychopath with no redeeming qualities. But he's a 'crook' too isn't he?
ReplyDeleteGenkaku said.
ReplyDelete" ... ACTIONS we can assess...."
There it is. ZSS has most certainly put its collective head in the noose of their "ten steps" taken.
These actions are assessible, and they will prove to be worthy or not of a yes or a no.
Anonymous 4:33 p.m.
ReplyDeleteAnd perhaps we would not be out of line to assess the actions of the past as well ... for example the actions depicted in the shimano archive...actions by Mr. Shimano, actions by the board, actions by others?
Shimano doesn't have qualification to be called "Roshi" in Japan. He became a monk after graduating from a junior high school, so he had only less than 15 years of training under official teachers such as Soen Roshi. Even as a regular zen monk, the degree of training he had is low. After coming to the U.S, he was treated like an authority with no master to guide him. No wonder he is so immature, insecure and obsessed with all kind of greed even at his age!
ReplyDeleteWe got a fake master, worshiped him and got teh result.
To anon 4:04: --
ReplyDeleteWhat is it? Why do you bow?
Look at point 2) and point 3). If it is
ReplyDeletegenuine the person who answered this question
will change his/her behavior and not repeating
his/her behavior unlike ES. Apologise if
genuine is not only in mouth, but also in
conduct and accept whatever responsibility
and punishment.
Point 1) showed how he/she personally handle
his/her own daughter - "pain and sad".
Gassho
Anon 4:58 said;
ReplyDelete"Shimano doesn't have qualification to be called "Roshi" in Japan. He became a monk after graduating from a junior high school, so he had only less than 15 years of training under official teachers such as Soen Roshi. Even as a regular zen monk, the degree of training he had is low. After coming to the U.S, he was treated like an authority with no master to guide him. No wonder he is so immature, insecure and obsessed with all kind of greed even at his age!"
There are a lot of fake masters around. Be careful who you put your trust in. But this argument about titles is boring, though big news in Japan, I'm sure. I think in the next 40-50 years, Americans zen students won't use the many inherited terms now in use. They'll have their own words for the head priest in that time. Any suggestions?
There's other ways to judge a man other than what his qualifications and title are and we'd been doing a lot of that here too. But I disagree, I think Shimano is a good meditation teacher, he taught me how to sit, what to do when sitting there and I cherish the years I trained with him. Its terribly upsetting his continued need to pursue every attractive female who has the misfortune to be his student and gets caught in the room alone with him. Staying with the thought that I feel his is a good meditation teacher, despite the lack of any Japanese zen acknowledgement, or he didn't get to sit in the proper seat at the funeral--or whatever, he has the ability to point the student in the right direction. And for that I'm grateful.
Lot of low trainees calling themselves ROSHI around. Stay alert. It is embarrassing that at 77 he is still philandering. I heard once of another founding Japanese Roshi who told his sangha after being caught philandering, that he wouldn't go on or do it (be roshi) without love. I thought that almost touching the first time I heard it. I think an important aspect to this is cultural differences about sexuality. But that's another long story, another time. Sorry to hear your experience was bad.
genkaku said...
ReplyDeleteAnonymous 4:33 p.m.
And perhaps we would not be out of line to assess the actions of the past as well ... for example the actions depicted in the shimano archive...actions by Mr. Shimano, actions by the board, actions by others?
I think none of this will or should be forgotten. While it is extraordinarily difficult to redress the past, Eido Shimano would genuinely serve the Dharma now if he can find the strength to publicly apologize.
We can hope this will happen but I do not think we can demand or even expect it. As you suggest, the past argues against it happening.
Another way to look at this is to suggest that the past, in the sense of no demonstrable assessments or effective actions taken in response to Eido Shimano's past behavior by ZSS, has fueled this present.
There are 448 posts, on this subject, on this site. There will certainly be more tomorrow.
This is karma working front and center stage.
Karma does follow and when one can no longer run fast enough it overtakes.
This internet is one form of karma. There is no where now to hide or to run.
The world has changed fundamently in this way, I think, and this world includes the world of ZSS. They must respond actively, as you suggest, this time with reconciliatory and abiding action or they are history's toast.
I don't know how it will turn out.
I hope they are equal to this task.
We shall see. We shall see quite soon.
Title is not just a decoration.
ReplyDeleteThat is a approved stamp that guarantees a quality. If you think Shimano is good, good for you. You are simply getting what Shimano gives, which is not what people call Zen in Japan.
To 5:58PM
ReplyDeleteYou said, ".. ... I cherish the years I trained
with him ... he (ES) has the ability to point
the student in the right direction...."
Previously you said, " ... There are a lot of fake masters around".
Isn't it implicitly contradictory?
How many years do you practise with ES
(say 20 years and now you are ~65 years
old), and how many other masters did
you ever attend? Say you start from baby
0 years old and each master need about
20 years, ... at most three. Or you never
attend the other masters and just
hear what other people say?
And since you only sample what other people
say, how do you know he gives the right
direction? Did you read Gempo Roshi comment
on Mumonkan? He mentioned Zen not integrated
in daily life is not true Zen. Do you know even Gempo Roshi scolded Soen Roshi's practise
because of Soen's egoistic zazen while
he was under Gempo's guidance? So ... if
ES gives the right direction, it implies
Gempo Roshi gives the wrong direction? Do
you think so? So if I can sit conveniently
directed by ES means ES is a good teacher? If
your students love you because you do not
give homework, means you are a good professor?
Wow ... what mind boggling arguments.
arguments
".. ... I cherish the years I trained
ReplyDeletewith him ... he (ES) has the ability to point
the student in the right direction...."
So you are saying that a person who cannot see the right direction himself can guide others?
I am really sorry to see you are so brain-washed that you cannot see how absurd your comment is.
This reminds me of another fabulous post on Roko one or two days ago saying like, "I don't know her but I know she is a zen priest who gives positive effects so I support her ..." or similar.
Or maybe your right direction is mastering how to take advantage of female students and have sex at Dokusan room, which I assume is your "zen."
to anon 9:19:
ReplyDeleteI got something positive and good from Eido and you portray me as a zen sex master of the dokusan seduction room?
I never said he 'could not see the right direction'. Your saying that he cannot. In your case, for you, you feel you cannot be guided by him. I don't believe he 'cannot see the right direction'--in the context of zen meditation-- not living an upright and ethical life-in-your-words. His meditation instruction worked for me, his character is problematic.
Now. Lots of misquoting there dear, but anyway-- I never been formally introduced to Shinge Roshi, though I read a little about her and sat a sesshin with her, heard a teisho. I'm glad to hear she is a heir to Eido Roshi--the first female Rinzai Zen heir in America--quite a distinguished title, if you believe in those kinds of things. And quite a legacy to take on. I wish her a lot of luck. I hope the practice doesn't become too feminized, though--always a possibility when the ladies are running things. Titles seem very important, within any group someone has to be the buddha but sadly we find just another human. I believe she will inherit as I believe all of Eido's heirs have inherited, even the ones who left- and that is they are forever responsible, obligated and indebted by lifetimes of gratitude to serve the dharma by propagating the practice of upright sitting, zazen in the form that good old siddhartha gautama. I least I hope they inherit it this way. I sometimes do and I'm only a simple layman who likes 7 day sesshins.
I too am grateful for instruction on how to cross the legs, how to straighten the spine, how to do kinhin, how to wrap and unwrap oryoki bowls, how to give and receive the kyosaku and all the other quiet and attentive activities of the zendo. To my mind, these are the bones of a formal Zen practice and very useful to those inclined. There is nothing false in them.
ReplyDeleteBut bones without blood, bones without spirit, is just a skeletal teaching. Others may dance around saying such activities are the spirit of Zen itself, but this is a bit too facile for me. Yes, the bones are good. But to rest among the bones alone is half-baked at best and self-serving at worst. Surely the two aspects are woven together as tightly as DNA, but to overlook their particulars is no good.
Thus, after some years and a series of upsets at Zen Studies Society, I was able to leave with the line ringing in my ears: "The teacher may be a liar, but zazen is no liar." Of course the liars of this world may scramble to demonstrate that the bones ARE the blood and the bones ARE the spirit, but it is in vain.
Zazen is no liar.
But it was from him, this imperfect man that the something so perfect and pure as zazen came to me. And this was something I always grappled with. How can something so good come from such an flawed person? Everyone's runninng around, those long ago days, saying how sick, bad, pathological he is, yet I didn't see that. I was blinded by love of practice that was a direct result of being around him. In that case, I am brainwashed. Brainwashed by a deep desire to practice with all my heart and soul, everything I have--give it all to the dharma just once. Never did he say 'believe in me' 'follow me", or 'do what I say'. It was always 'see for yourself, you do the work". A pointer, is what any teacher is. no? And if feel I know the direction, learnt from him, and that it is up to me how far and long i follow it. I am a lazy man.
ReplyDeleteLook, there is nothing wrong if you felt happy with Shimano and Roco. I am simply saying that that is not what has been passed as "Zen."
ReplyDeleteIf you like Mac hamburger, have it.
But you cannot claim that you know other finer food.
You are just playing words with your own limited logics.
Learning how to sit is a start but just a real start.
Even for those who sit for many decades, Zen transmission is not automatically guaranteed. It is said transmission is just like to pass until the last drop of what was transmitted, all the way from Buddha. There are creation in superficial things like teaching style but the essence "NEVER" changes and must not change. This is what is called to inherit bowl and robe of master. The transmission occurs only when she/he demonstrated and admitted by her/his master that her/his Kensho is fully integrated in daily life and solid, doing good for PEOPLE.
Again, what you are calling zen is not zen.
This is an unfortunate but natural result from the fact you know only teacher who is not qualified.
Not only you, those senior members who say "Yeah, he did bad but there were also good things.." are the same.
Life and Zen is one, no separation.
Not getting this point is the proof that you are not practicing zen. Maybe not learning sex abuse but some meditation totally different from zen. I recommend stop playing with your words and what you think "logics", which just fools you.
Anonymous August 25, 2010 3:21 PM said...
ReplyDelete"Check out this re: Shimano's narcissism and magical thinking. http://www.buddhistchannel.tv/index.php?id=70,8480,0,0,1,0 "
Well done!
Regarding ETS' mental health
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
"To 3:30 PM
"There was one evaluation already in 60's, if I am not mistaken."
Actually there does not seem to have been any professional diagnosis of Shimano's mental condition.
In the mid 1960's after Shimano sexual advances evidently precipitated some kind of mental breakdown in one of the woman he became involved with Aitken did some inquiring. Then in the early 1980's we have evidence that a psychiatrist who knew one or two of the Board members at the time, Jochi George Zournas and Rinko Peggy Crawford, and who was purportedly friends with Shimano and his wife had a long meeting and subsequently tried to piece something together and explain it to Crawford and Zournas. Zournas in turn communicated the conversation to Soen Roshi and then to rest of the board:
Letter from Jochi George Zournas to ZSS Board of Trustees.
http://www.shimanoarchive.com/PDF's/19820914_Zournas_Board.pdf
"Last Saturday, Rinko and I called on Dr. Tadao Ogura, Senior Psychiatrist of the South Oaks Hospital and a long-time friend of the Shimanos. We spent almost four hours with him discussing our problems with the Shimanos. It was a difficult, painful experience for us all, but at the end Dr. Ogura spoke for a long, long time and then summarized his
feelings, thus:
"'As for Mrs. Shimano, there pours from her a violent stream of hatred and anger that is unacceptable. What its source is I do not know. But I do know she is an exceptionally strong woman and she has completed swallowed Eido Roshi.
"As for Eido Roshi, he is basically a weak man. The great energy that has enabled him to make such a splendid contribution at Dai Bosatsu and Shoboji has also been channeled into sexual energy. But this energy he is completely unable to control. This coupled with his lying, makes it essential that he be removed from Dai Bosatsu and Shoboji. Wherever he goes, he should never again be given a position of primary authority.' "
"I was blinded by love of practice that was a direct result of being around him."
ReplyDeleteIt's hard, I think, to know what the source of loving practice is. Anything we say, any praise we offer, any castles we build fall short ... at least in my book.
Learn from the best. Learn from the worst.
“To me, total responsibility means that everything — literally every single phenomenon inside and outside of my being — is wholly a projection of myself.”, Shimano said. so what is "himself'?
ReplyDeleteAnonymous August 25, 2010 4:58 PM wrote:
ReplyDelete"Shimano doesn't have qualification to be called "Roshi" in Japan. He became a monk after graduating from a junior high school, so he had only less than 15 years of training under official teachers such as Soen Roshi. Even as a regular zen monk, the degree of training he had is low. After coming to the U.S, he was treated like an authority with no master to guide him. No wonder he is so immature, insecure and obsessed with all kind of greed even at his age!
"We got a fake master, worshiped him and got the result."
Well I wouldn't put it quite that way. It is too simple.
But you raise some points that are of interest and could use some clarification and thought.
In no particular order:
- Did Shimano's academic education stop at junior high school?
- How much education did ____ (fill in whomever of the "old masters" that you wish) have. Let's say Gautama, Hui Neng, or Hakuin.
- How much education does the title roshi now require in Japan?
- How long did Eido train with Soen in Ryutaku-ji?
- What of Yasutani's continuance of his training?
- What do we make of natural charisma?
- What do we make of good talks?
- What are we to make of the transmission ceremony that took place in the '70's between Nakagawa and Shimano
- Isn't it interesting that some of the mistakes made at many Zen centers are similar and revolve around ego and desire?
-- Does this mean that American Zen needs to get more in touch with the more classical Buddhist roots?
- Further, let's not forget that throughout the period of the mid 60's through the mid 70's when meditation practice caught hold of a wide audience in the West much was made of what we might call Guru Centrism. And even then many thought it was "off" and we had those "How to Recognize A Good Spiritual Teacher" type books.
- How much of anything like this can we even take responsibility for?
- Where do we go from here?
“To me, total responsibility means that everything — literally every single phenomenon inside and outside of my being — is wholly a projection of myself.”, Shimano said.
ReplyDeleteThat is what I struggle with ES, because
in the beginning there is no self and
transparent. If we put "self" in the center,
and this "self" manifests everything within
and without, there is a danger of self-
justification and arrogance. This ego or
self-centeredness together with idol worship
of his followers made him above everything
thus cannot have remorse. How can we have
a remorse if we think we are always right
and the proof is the followers always
agreeing and paroting.
However, the issue remains, whether we
get the righr direction from him or
otherwise. That is what will we do
with ES, in the mean time ES already
starts rebuilding his sangha with
relatively new members? Hello Boards,
what will you do? This is the same calculated
step as in 1993 and before, isn't it?
And he will crouch back to abbotship and
board directorship. Impossible! Why not
... bylaws is still there, and abbot shall
sit as a member of board. By refering to
bylaws, unless it was changed, he has a
legitimacy to come back. But he promised
to step down! Yes, previously he promised
to step down many times. Propaganda
machine also runs "ES is the victime,
the woman is the predator". Would'nt he
say that all the pain is his responsibility?
Now why the pain is the responsibility of
the woman? So the game runs as usual, but
the board is now rather sophisticated
by adding decoration just to escape if
there are legal proceedings.
What episode is now?
To those who are uncomfortable with the listing of symptoms of psychological disorders, like me you probably resist labeling as it all comes too close to caricaturing and stereotyping. However, I would like you to consider it not as arm chair (or beer drinking or distance) psycho-diagnosing but as profiling, the extrapolation of information about something, based on known qualities.
ReplyDeleteWe see a, b and c behaviors and those behavior are symptomatic of some conditions like w, x, y, and z. Then we look at or notice other behaviors which by themselves might just seem normal or merely idiosyncratic. But if those other behaviors are also symptomatic of say only x, y and z, then we look for other behaviors and little by little we might find a a fairly consistent set of behavior patterns.
It may or may not help in dealing with future events, and it may or may not help in a more accurate conceptualization.
Saying stick to the facts or just look at actions is to me like saying lets reinvent the wheel or the match. Doable? Yes. A productive use of time? Sure, sometimes it is but sometimes not.
Of course even if we stumble on or discover a correct profile it still doesn't change what most believe anyway -- that Shimano will not change, nor will he "purify himself," nor will he seek help. Likewise sharing it with others have already decided to support Shimano no matter what serves little purpose either.
The problem is getting the facts and helpful information to those who come to ZSS in innocent ignorance although it seems that the chances are the situation will be clear to them in not too long a time.
To me that warning about the teachers affiliated with ZSS in the Ethics statement on the daibosatsu.org site is like the sign on Dante's Hell: "Abandon hope all ye who enter here." So why enter at all?
"... in the mean time ES already
ReplyDeletestarts rebuilding his sangha with
relatively new members? Hello Boards,
what will you do? This is the same calculated
step as in 1993 and before, isn't it?"
This is the exactly the point and problem.
No action when it is needed.
The board members, who are supposed to be senior members with a lot of sitting, cannot face the reality and just go with flow, implicitly giving OK to what have been done from their inaction.
Symbolic example of so-called zen isolated from real life.
Another problem with board is some were
ReplyDeleteso critical to ES, but as soon as they
were elected by ES to sit in the board,
they became quiet, and owed their lives
more to ES (than their mother - ask Genjo)
and felt they had holy duties to spread
the true dharma.
"... as soon as they were elected by ES to sit in the board, they became quiet, and owed their lives more to ES..."
ReplyDeleteThis is the result of training for decades under Shimano.
Useless.
Learning how to sit is a start but just a real start.
ReplyDeleteEven for those who sit for many decades, Zen transmission is not automatically guaranteed. It is said transmission is just like to pass until the last drop of what was transmitted, all the way from Buddha. There are creation in superficial things like teaching style but the essence "NEVER" changes and must not change. This is what is called to inherit bowl and robe of master. The transmission occurs only when she/he demonstrated and admitted by her/his master that her/his Kensho is fully integrated in daily life and solid, doing good for PEOPLE.
tell--how do you do good for people?
"tell--how do you do good for people? "
ReplyDeletePointless question when talking about the level of real Kensho, just trying to divert the criticism of Shimano and his followers.
This is not the stuff one normally talks about, but given that the guy clearly needs to be removed ASAP, I'll relate an anecdote re: "how to give and receive the kyosaku".
ReplyDeleteOnce in dokusan, as I did my final bow, Eido put his hand on my shoulder and asked me to stay down so he could hit me with the keisaku. Nothing wrong with that, of course, perhaps he was just trying to help me.
However, when I got up afterward and looked at him, his eyes were huge and bright, kind of glassy, and he was wearing this little smile. It was really weird: he clearly thought that he had just given me something extraordinary, and was expecting some kind of reaction or thanks from me. It was just a split-second thing, but that look on his face has stayed with me ever since. Presumably because what kind of Zen master wants or expects gestures of appreciation from his students?
I guess we're collectively finding out.
That is exactly the problem; within the
ReplyDeletesame dokusan room ES engaged sexual abuse
or seduction. I think it will not become
a problem if in ZSS leaflet, or prior to
sesshin or kessei, it was mentioned that
ZSS teaches special type of zen, that ES
will sometimes engage his female students
with his weapon of mass distraction to
test/enhance her state of ecstacy. It is
up to the student to respond or refuse.
Unfortunately, this type of zen (if I still
could say zen) was not mentioned.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteThat is exactly the problem; within the
same dokusan room ES engaged sexual abuse
or seduction. I think it will not become
a problem if in ZSS leaflet, or prior to
sesshin or kessei, it was mentioned that
ZSS teaches special type of zen, that ES
will sometimes engage his female students
with his weapon of mass distraction to
test/enhance her state of ecstacy. It is
up to the student to respond or refuse.
Unfortunately, this type of zen (if I still
could say zen) was not mentioned.
August 27, 2010 10:57 AM
The above comment exhibits classic symtoms of the all to common Stuck Record Syndrome. Can anyone figure out to get this fixed? OR, get it turned it off? OR, turned down?
I'm trying to get some sleep.
You don't sleep with your students. Most, if not all of these people in their great desperation and efforts were in need of a teacher who could help open them. Not leave them in ruins, manipulated, lie to and then properly disposed of or shut up.
ReplyDeleteThe man has poisoned the stream of The Dharma by pissing in it and still tries to sell it, while people scramble to clean it up. Living with the attitude of all is forgiven allows him to continue. Well not for long. And if you think this will just pass like every other time, this will only get worst.
Everything Eido has done has simply been a personal endeavor, nothing more. Look at the result, angry people and devoted slaves drinking the water with a smear on their face.
With all of these injured people here and gone how can you say there is nothing wrong?
"can you say there is nothing wrong?"
ReplyDeleteNo, there is much wrong in this situation and the intent of suggesting that we had a case of "Stuck Record Syndrome" on our hands was not to belittle those who truly were not strong enough or unable to say no.
It was a play on the suggestion that the new vice abbot was a victim of Stockholm Syndrome in her relationship to Eido Shimano.
One is a valid as the other.
This is THE premier Eido Shimano "let her rip and vent" site on the internet so it is also a great site to suggest that those who do "let her rip" lighten the tone sometimes.
What you just wrote is a case in point.
I will desist from such efforts going forward. They are wasted here.
"when I got up afterward and looked at him, his eyes were huge and bright, kind of glassy, and he was wearing this little smile"
ReplyDeleteThis bothers me more than anything else. It sounds like he's experiencing some kind of a rush from dominating the (male)student.
I wonder if what we've been hearing about his behavior towards women was the same thing, just a different expression for a differnt gender.
I think this is not stuck record syndrome.
ReplyDeleteThe author seems intentionally wants to remind
us that we shall not forget. Can we say
the same thing to Jewish people if they
remind us about the holocaust? There are
many things to take care of; sex abuse, deceit,
financial obscurity, ruining the (maha)sangha,
arrogance, bribe, etc. And yet ES is still
there, no financial reports, no serious bylaws
reviews, no remorse to public and victims
(remorse expressed to his fanatic followers
is very easy).
Not too long ago the ZSS posted a list of the names of the members of their Board of Directors on their website ethical guidelines page. Some time later that list was removed without comment.
ReplyDeleteYesterday an “insider” at ZSS revealed: Allegedly three Board members have resigned including the Board Secretary and Treasurer. One of the people to resign was Seigan Ed Glassing, a monk and long time supporter of the Shimanos.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDelete"This is THE premier Eido Shimano "let her rip and vent" site on the internet."
Yes, that's because we actually know the man, for a very long time. Ouch. Yuck.
As Adam said, way, way, way early in this thread, "I wouldn't wish it on my worst enemy."
The resignees might consider that they are not officially off the Board for at least sixty days after their notification of intent according to the bylaws. The latest copy of the ZSS bylaws available to the public on the www.shimanoarchives.com site is from 2003. It states:
ReplyDeleteSection 4 -- Resignations
Any director of the Society may resign at any time by giving written notice to both the President and to the Secretary of the Society, or if they are unavailable, to two (2) directors. Such resignation shall take effect in no less than sixty (60) days from the date upon which it is given.
It might behoove the three erstwhile Board members to reconsider and withdraw their letters of intent to resign; they can still sue ZSS for dissolution of the Board or appointment of a receiver based on deadlock. It might be helpful for them to consult with counsel since by announcing their intent to resign they appear to be holding to righteous ethical standards.
The remaining Board members are likely deeply conflicted. The recent revelation that two of them sit on the three person “ethics” committee should raise big red flags to anyone considering approaching this “ethics committee.” This “ethics committee.” is just a cover name for appearances, another smoke screen. Anything that anyone reveals to them is likely to be used in defense of Shimano who the Board is allowing to remain as Abbot. Anything that is revealed to the committee in confidence is likely to wind up plastered on some random public blog in an effort to mitigate Shimano’s transgressions or paint a survivor in an unfavorable light however slight.
Stay away from this sham… talk to an attorney; let your counsel deal with the ZSS Board.
Looks like there is no possibility that this corrupt organization can correct itself. In order to avoid let Shimano continue his sex and financial abuse, we should focus on legal remedy. This man and his slave board never changes and their "in-your-face" attitude is a direct insult to the American value.
ReplyDeleteare there people who need to "talk to an attorney", or is this merely conjecture? Where is there any evidence of a crime? What person (s) feels that a crime has been perpetrated upon them? I am very interested to know. If you could anonymously and honestly state what crime you were a victim of, describe the nature of the crime. Could you define the nature of the offense? Because I have a feeling that the only people who see criminal behavior are the former disgruntled students who are fixated on revenge, of any kind,
ReplyDeleteIf no one responds can we conclude no crimes committed? I have been asking about the evidence of criminal behavior since the start. And now we have Aitken days before he dies referring to Eido as a "crook". But again, where is the evidence of criminal behavior? And all you disgruntled ex students, why haven't you been able over the years to organize a criminal investigation: gather witnesses' information of offenses, hire an attorney to file charges, etc? Why hasn't this been done? Is it because there is no evidence of crimes?
Is there only a long line of consenting mistresses, who are probably more embarrassed about succumbing to his advances, than angry they were victimized? I am not condoning the behavior of this wayward teacher, I am seeking clarification about his past actions.
"Because I have a feeling that the only people who see criminal behavior are the former disgruntled students who are fixated on revenge, of any kind"
ReplyDeleteAgreed.
But I might amend that to read, "one or two former disgruntled students who are fixated on revenge, of any kind."
Some Shimano slaves are trying hard here ...
ReplyDeletePatience...
ReplyDeleteAnon 11:26 a.m.
ReplyDeleteThere seem to be two realms, each adequately suggestive of illegal behavior: 1. Why has there never (to my knowledge) been a full accounting of income and expenditures for Zen Studies Society? Whether this was accidental or purposeful, still the door of a tax-exempt (or any other) organization is left wide open to illegal transfer of funds/goods.
2. The mountain of anecdotal evidence of coercive sexual encounters and their results is enough to make a sane man wonder why such evidence would have accumulated in the first place without some element of truth.
Asking victims to come before an 'ethics panel' that is largely or wholly under Mr. Shimano's sway simply makes no common sense. Even the Catholics were forced to go to court when their most venerated realms could offer no redress. And the Catholics had the good grace not to suggest that victims were 'consenting' partners.
If in fact this whole matter is nothing but a big conspiracy to bring down a holy man, what should he have to fear in the face of 'lies?' And since there are currently enough 'lies' to choke a horse, wouldn't it be preferable to clear the air with honest and open discourse? Wouldn't a blameless man, a man without rank, prefer that his good name and the good name of Zen Buddhism would be untarnished?
Why has the board of directors not found some outside mediator (let's not be coy with the faith group to whom no one is required to pay attention) whose decisions and observations have some teeth? who can guarantee some protection -- no more blabbing on blogs -- to those who step forward? and whose financial findings might be forwarded to the Internal Revenue Service?
What does an honest man have to fear from the yapping of 'barbarian' dogs?
are coercive sexual encounters illegal if they involve adults and no threat or force was applied? And if, within any of these encounters someone felt violated so that she would be legally positioned to file a legitimate complaint, why hasn't anyone done this to date?
ReplyDeletewhat do you know about the financial workings of ZSS? If you have evidence of a legitimate complaint file it--step forward!! Or if anyone else has, come on. Yes, stop all this yapping already.
could it be there is no evidence
“Because I have a feeling that the only people who see criminal behavior are the former disgruntled students who are fixated on revenge, of any kind"
ReplyDeleteThis statement is just silly. After 450+ posts and the Hawaii archives someone posts that drivel?
The discussion is also about Eido as a religious leader committing acts and violations against Buddhism.
Examine with another standard from other religions Eido’s behavior? Islam with Sharia law based on the Moslem religious texts would never allow an Imam to act as Eido has. How many Catholic Priests would be allowed Eido’s history with their parishioners? How about Rabbis? Hindu Priests?
Ultimately, Eido is held to a higher standard because he represents as a spiritual leader of Buddhism. Eido must be held accountable and judged to the standards and laws in Buddhism as well as local state and federal laws.
"what do you know about the financial workings of ZSS? If you have evidence of a legitimate complaint file it--step forward!! Or if anyone else has, come on. Yes, stop all this yapping already.
ReplyDeleteThis is a typical modern American business logic, which is; if not caught, you can do anything.
Here we are talking about Zen/Buddhism/religion.
By ignoring this critical difference, Shimano and his sex/regular slaves have demonstrated and officially admitted that they have not been in religious activities but in cut-throat greed driven operation.
So we need to make sure that this rotten organization is not called or classified in religion or Buddhism by spreading the truth and cutting off their $ supply.
We have to think strategically and try to paralyze their logistics "legally."
Aonymous 1237 p.m. --
ReplyDelete"What do you know about the financial workings of ZSS? If you have evidence of a legitimate complaint file it--step forward!! Or if anyone else has, come on. Yes, stop all this yapping already."
I would call your attention to the shimanoarchive document: http://www.shimanoarchive.com/PDF%27s/20021031_Hara_Board.pdf Is an accountant's skepticism enough to satisfy your apparent longing for even-handedness?
"Are coercive sexual encounters illegal if they involve adults and no threat or force was applied? And if, within any of these encounters someone felt violated so that she would be legally positioned to file a legitimate complaint, why hasn't anyone done this to date?"
"If they involve adults and no threat or force was applied."
There is a police charge called "assault and battery." "Assault" refers to words. "Battery" refers to physical force. Based on the mountain of allegations, I see more reason to credit some version of assault than to credit a lack thereof. But surely that can be sorted out in some neutral territory like a court ... and not some slanted venue like an "ethics committee" with neither mandate nor power.
I believe there are women who have come forward and spoken out only to find that what they hoped would be private words were used in public places as a means of bolstering Mr. Shimano's case.
Not that it matters to you, perhaps, but can you imagine the anguish, confusion, sorrow, guilt, self-loathing and whatever all else someone who was a victim might feel? Zen practice was not built so that one person could piss on another.
PS. I really would suggest that you READ the shimano archives: http://www.shimanoarchive.com/ ... purely as a matter of balancing your even-handed inquiry, of course.
It has been written here that three board members have left. Is there a way to make public who voted in support of keeping Shimano as abbot? Are votes recorded by ZSS?
ReplyDeleteOut of the fifty-five ZSS board minutes documents in the www.shimanoarchive.com database not one records such information. It is unlikely an "official" record was kept.
ReplyDeleteThe individual board members were there, they could in all likelihood recall how the votes went. Hopefully some former board members will anonymously submit further records to the archive site so they can be added to the University of Hawaii archives and eventually find their way into public view on line.
There is a police charge called "assault and battery." "Assault" refers to words. "Battery" refers to physical force. Based on the mountain of allegations, I see more reason to credit some version of assault than to credit a lack thereof. But surely that can be sorted out in some neutral territory like a court ... and not some slanted venue like an "ethics committee" with neither mandate nor power.
ReplyDeleteRealizing the sensitive nature of this issue for the women involved and the varied effects resulting from having been subjected to Eido's sexual advances, this shouldn't preclude the possibility that they were legally violated. Genkaku, since you were there almost 40 years ago, surely some of Eido's victims have spoken of how they were violated to you and the others who seek damages against EIdo. Why hasn't the information been collected and charges filed? I have read the entire Shimano archive twice and I see no evidence of criminal acts.
And regarding the archive site referenced about the financial status of ZSS, again, if there is observable and illegal discrepancies in these letters, then why haven't the interested parties taken action and seen to it that charges are filed? The archive has been available for all to peruse for a while now yet no criminal charges. Is that because there is no criminal activity?
There are many posts on this board. none come close to defining criminal activity, neither does the Hawaii archive. Maybe you should read it again, or show me where you find listed evidence of criminal activity. silly indeed. Again, if ZSS are breaking laws go after them with all you have and stop all your preaching. This in not a religious issue, its a legal one.
From the archive...
ReplyDeleteHere - this is a criminal assault:
"He stood and held out his hand.
I took it awkwardly, but before I could get the feeling back in my legs, he ripped me off the floor and pulled my body against his, then grabbed my breast, prodded my mouth with his tongue, and started to pull up my skirt and reach between my legs.
For a moment, I was too stunned to react. But then I pushed him away, and stood there, my arms distancing us. I looked straight at him. He stared right back. He acted as though nothing had happened. He was still smiling.
I was sickened, frightened, disoriented, confused. The physical assault was bad enough, but even worse was the emotional betrayal. He was my Zen master, my teacher, my guide, and he had brutally violated my trust."
Anonymous 316pm -- Certainly you are entitled to your point of view, but it is hard not to wonder why Aitken Roshi would write:
ReplyDelete"Dear Tai San,
There are many reports of your abuse of women published on the web which indicate that you have been involved in breaking the precepts over a period of more than 40 years. I would like to urge you to come forth and make a statement in response to these accusations.
Sincerely yours,
Robert Aitken"
Naturally, you can make an ad hominem argument (who is Aitken to talk? where was he back in the day?) but the question still hangs in the air, awaiting some libel-suit or so-serene (noble silence, lol) response.
Here - this is a criminal assault:
ReplyDeletePerfect example. Why didn't she immediately go up the block on 67th st., and into the 19 precinct statilon house and file an assault charge against EIdo Tai Shimano, Abbot of the Zen Studies Society? If she would of done this, we wouldn't be where we are now. This is certainly an egregious violaltion/ assault. Why didn't she seek legal action, do any of know? Ms Westin, can you say why you didn't immediately report this incident?
As for Aitken's letter, where are the "many reports of your abuse pulbished on the web?". I can only locate Ms Westin's account and 2 others.
Anonymous 4:21 --
ReplyDelete"Ms Westin, can you say why you didn't immediately report this incident?"
On a guess -- and of course it's only a guess and not really up to righteous and rigorous and lock-step standards -- I would imagine she was simply human. Human beings get confused when what they love acts in ways that hardly feel loving.
"I was sickened, frightened, disoriented, confused. The physical assault was bad enough, but even worse was the emotional betrayal. He was my Zen master, my teacher, my guide, and he had brutally violated my trust."
Not logical at all ... you are right as rain, Anonymous 4:21.
But human? You bet.
As ordinary Buddhist we take refuge in the Five Precepts and Eightfold path. But Eido Shimano is more than just a lay ordinary Buddhist who took refuge, he is an ordained monk and a spiritual leader, a Roshi; he has additional requirements, responsibilities, vows and rules as a religious spiritual leader
ReplyDeleteThis is generally what it is required to break the 3th Precept of Sexual Misconduct in Buddhism:
Four conditions to kamesumicchacara (Sexual Misconduct)
1. It must be a man or a woman with whom it is improper to have sexual act.
2. There must be an intention to have such sexual misconduct with such man or woman.
3. There must be a sexual act done.
4. There must be enjoyment from the contact.
If all the said four conditions are fulfilled, the third precept of the Five Precepts of Buddhism is violated.
What is the appropriate punishment for the violation of the third precept of sexual misconduct by Buddhist clergy, Eido Shimano, according to Buddhism?
Remember one of the many undisputed "facts" in this story of over 40+ years of sexual misconduct is that Eido's Dharma heir Sherry Chayat admitted to having a ongoing sexual relationship with Eido Shimano, married to Aiho Shimano. Ms Chayat stated that this adulterous sexual relationship was initiated by Eido Shimano while she was married to her husband Lou. Ms Chayat publicly admits that her adulterous relationship with Eido Shimano continued for a period of time which culminated in divorce of her marriage.
Jewish, Islamic, Christian, Buddhist and Hindu traditions are all unequivocal in their condemnation of adultery especially if committed by their clergy.
Again: What is the appropriate punishment for the violation of the third precept of sexual misconduct by Buddhist clergy, Eido Shimano, according to Buddhism?
Compassionate castration?
ReplyDelete"Remember one of the many undisputed "facts" in this story of over 40+ years of sexual misconduct is that Eido's Dharma heir Sherry Chayat admitted to having a ongoing sexual relationship with Eido Shimano, married to Aiho Shimano. Ms Chayat stated that this adulterous sexual relationship was initiated by Eido Shimano while she was married to her husband Lou. Ms Chayat publicly admits that her adulterous relationship with Eido Shimano continued for a period of time which culminated in divorce of her marriage."
ReplyDeleteWhere are these "undisputed" facts written? Are they documented anywhere besides this blog?
Regarding the lack of an open record of financial transactions, I wonder if there have been secret settlement payments to other victims.
ReplyDeleteThat's something that has occured in a number of other organizations in reponce to the threat of lawsuits.
If Eido's behavior is actually a compulsive mental disorder, then it's unlikely he behaved himself for that 15 year "hiatus." (Unless he found some other channel for his need to dominate.)
News:
ReplyDelete1) Three board members resign.
2) Starting August 30, ES will rebuild
new sangha of Shoboji by appointing and
training new temple officers (I think
will be picked from relatively new members).
So business as usual.
3) According some sources there is a lawyer
who does kessei at DBZ. Is he hired by
ES? Is he a government agent infiltrated
to ZSS? But most probably he is a crook
(as other kessei members mentioned about
his behavior).
4) At one teisho recently, ES said that
what matters most for him is not what he
does in daily life, but his attitude when
facing the death. Wow? What kind of buddhism
it is. It implies a buddhist can kill, deceive,
rape, etc ... it doesnot matter. Wow ...
how can a head monastry like Fujin cannot
see this? Why? ... I suggest Fujin should
take a long leave to Japan, or Taiwan, or
maybe to India.
5) After 1993 ZSS is non-membership corporation,
but why ZSS (SHobo-ji) requires fixed monthly
membership-fee? Is it legal?
The job of boards, if they are serious,
relatively easy. Why do not they hire
private investigators. Faith Trust Institute
then become only consultative ethical committee. The investigator could scrutinise
the last 30 years of ZSS (with the last ten
years as the first step). Scrutinise finansial
accountings, and collect all female kessei
name of the last ten years and investigate
if there were abuses by ES, then went to
sesshin participants.
Guys, you must have spent too much time under Shimano.
ReplyDeleteWhat is the point just whining here with no action?
By now, it is clear that any legal action will be difficult unless victims come forward, which is unlikely.
Practically what we can do is "spreading the truth".
Distributing the NYT articles to the neighbors of Shobo-ji, for example, in order to notify them that they are living close to sex molesters or morally bankrupted cult group.
The article itself speaks and we can just share a copy of the article, pointing out the address, and leave them to judge. One of them is a kinder-garden and will be interested in the issue.
The most important thing is to stop the inflow of money and new students by exposing the truth to the public. All the fantasies you are playing with here could follow only after Shimano and his cult get weakened enough, when victims and other witnesses feel more comfortable to confront in public.
Yes ... you are right. Do not forget to
ReplyDeletegive the NYT article to the doormen of the
apartment where ES lives at 69th St.
Interesting web site:
ReplyDeletehttp://www.snapnetwork.org/snap_statements/2010_statements/081910_zen_studies_society_announces_ethics_investigation_snap_responds.htm
" Where are these "undisputed" facts written? Are they documented anywhere besides this blog?"
ReplyDeleteAugust 28, 2010 11:03 PM
I wrote to ZSS on exactly this subject. Sherry Chayat responded. If you wish to hear her response to whether or not she actually did any of the alleged public behaviors, send them an e mail.
The nay sayers hear ask you not to ask direct questions of the board and its membership.
Circle around this "advice" and write to them yourself.
Post her response here....
ReplyDeletehttp://ubercorp.com/blog/index.php/2010/07/zen-sitting-meditation/eido-shimanos-sex-scandal-part-n1/
ReplyDeleteYeah, come on, cut and paste the response you got from Sherry Chayat. Or was it from her?
ReplyDeleteYes, write to them yourself. I have sent an email to them also, advising them to consider very carefully how they handle this situation and to restrict Eido's ability to do any further damage. Let them know your thoughts. Don't be afraid to write to them.
ReplyDeleteThanks Anonymous 1252 ... interesting that SNAP should sound off.
ReplyDeleteYea, just like writing to your local congressman when concerned about an upcoming vote on some legislature, your concerns will be heard. There are 300 hits on this site daily. Write to the board to let them know your thoughts and how you want them act. The more of us they hear from the more impact it will have. YOU have power--just type and send.
ReplyDeletezssboard@gmail.com.
If someone hits 20 times in one day to see the latest post, does that count as the day's total? Just askin'.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous August 29, 2010 12:35 PM said...
ReplyDelete"I wrote to ZSS on exactly this subject. Sherry Chayat responded."
Problem is with such questions, some will not believe any answer except admission, particularly when there are so many anecdotes about her affair for many years, including the commonly accepted story of what led to her divorce from Lou Nordtrom, love poems to Eido, what she supposedly said and implied at the 1993 DBZ women's conference, etc.
So why not get it over with and write or just copy paste what she wrote back? Any given reader will accept it or not.
In the interest of real transparency, perhaps Sherry Chayat might release a public statement. Or is she doing the "noble silence" routine like her master? (Lotta good it did him.... too bad he didn't release the "statement" he was allegedly working on in response to Aitken's call before the young woman exposed his lies...)
ReplyDeleteRE: Robin Westen's report of "criminal assault,"
ReplyDeleteAND
those who question, "Why didn't she seek legal action, do any of know? Ms Westin, can you say why you didn't immediately report this incident?"
AND
those who "guess" that "she was simply human. Human beings get confused when what they love acts in ways that hardly feel loving."
instead of these questions, guesses and conjecture, why not let the woman speak for herself?
interesting reading:
http://www.enotalone.com/article/11864.html
So where is the "cut 'n paste"? Come on... post it so we can send it into to ZSS and ask if it's genuine.... otherwise, quit playing games and STFU.
ReplyDeleteMs. Robin Westen:
ReplyDeleteLet me admit right here: Even before rooting around my inner life of awareness, I knew this much about myself. It wasn't looks or money that grabbed my heart (my recent handsome boyfriend the exception); it was power and dominance. Thus, my romantic history included falling for-and bedding-my college professors, a couple of bosses, a well-known broadcasting mogul, an aging pop artist, a renowned opera impresario who was old enough to be my grandfather, and a narcissistic politician. Many of these men were married. Yet even with this eclectic repertoire, it never occurred to me that a short, fat, middle-aged, manipulative, and conniving cult leader could ever be added to the list.
For those who haven't read the piece by Ms. Westen she's not talking about Eido at the end of this pasted selection, rather a guy named Eknath. Reading the entire piece should illicit at least the plausible possibility that she was no innocent woman traumatized by Eido's kiss and grope as she makes it seem she was. More like a woman who knew what she wanted in a man. I was around and active at NY zendo in those days and I had 'blood in my eyes' for her myself. Ms. Westen was a fine looking woman, and after reading this piece of hers, can no longer accept her 'Zen in Art of Seduction'. Though I'm sure she knows a thing or two about seduction.
Eknath is a pseudonym.... remember the VV refused to publish the earlier article with Eido's name in it.
ReplyDeleteThe martial arts guy was probably Min Pai.
ReplyDeletehttp://www.minpaigrandmaster.org/
http://sites.google.com/site/ramonkorff/master-min-pai-and-eido-shimano-roshi
Eknath is a pseudonym.... remember the VV refused to publish the earlier article with Eido's name in it.
ReplyDeleteAugust 29, 2010 6:27 PM
Yes yes but this is not that article and it is not EIdo she is referring to in this piece. You should read it first. Past the link into your browser read it, then read "Zen and the Art of Seduction". You should get the point by then.
I have read both articles....
ReplyDeleteunless there is some forthcoming statement from Ms Chayat I am certain there are many ...many ...many......... who look at her pouty moist bee stung lips while she speaks and wonder........
ReplyDelete"We are grateful beyond words for the incomparable gift of Eido Roshi’s Dharma treasure, and for his unstinting efforts to root Rinzai Zen Buddhism in American soil. Ever at home in the unconditional realm, he spurs us to go beyond the relative vista."
ReplyDeleteAnonymous August 29, 2010 6:15 PM wrote:
ReplyDelete"I was around and active at NY zendo in those days and I had 'blood in my eyes' for her myself. Ms. Westen was a fine looking woman, and after reading this piece of hers, can no longer accept her 'Zen in Art of Seduction'. Though I'm sure she knows a thing or two about seduction."
This is original. Not!
Blame the woman.We heard it before in the 1970's and the 1980's and I imagine ever since It's always take the same form, 'Wow, I felt she was pretty hot so, poor weak innocent master Shimano found her so seductive, and found her so hot how could he resist.'
But he should have resisted, shouldn't he? Where was his famous "imperturbability?" Where was his legendary "impeccability" as a Rinzai Zen Buddhist monk? Did he leave them at the tailors that day?
He talked the talk, but he waddled when he walked. Seems he still does.
Are you going to next write one by one that all the woman he came on to were all too hot to resist? Good luck with that! Others and I will know that it's just distortions, misdirection, or out right lies.
When Westen wrote "The best time to make love to a woman is right after sesshin, when she looks her sexiest. If I had my way, if people understood the essence of detachment, everyone would sleep with each other the night sesshin ends.” You know that this was a favorite line of his for years, or you should have known, if you've been around as long as you claim.
When Westen wrote "During the months of interviewing, I discovered that Eido Roshi had seduced, or attempted to seduce, dozens of women while acting as their spiritual guide. At least three of the women, as a result of their sexual-spiritual relationship with Eido, had suffered mental breakdowns serious enough to cause hospitalization." You should know this, if you have been around as long as you claim.
And yet you are still around and yet you still are running interference for him. It boggles my mind.
Even when I supported him I still had (and still have) the nearly ridiculous hope that he will finally have the breakthrough he needed so he can honestly and effectively deal with whatever his problems are. I would never, ever defend his actions by trying to blame the women.
Do yourself a favor: After going through all the positives on the checklist, at least examine the possibility that he had and still has some seriously miserable traits (call them attachments or defilements, or give them a fancy Buddhist term like klesas, or whatever you want). Then admit that he has failed to deal with from his youth until now.
Dear Dharma brother, read or re-read this carefully sentence by sentence:
“Each student must be encouraged to take responsible measures to confront teachers with unethical aspects of their conduct.
If the teacher shows no sign of reform, students should not hesitate to publicize any unethical behavior of which there is irrefutable evidence.
This should be done irrespective of other beneficial aspects of his or her work and of one's spiritual commitment to that teacher.
It should also be made clear in any publicity that such conduct is not in conformity with Buddhist teachings.
No matter what level of spiritual attainment a teacher has, or claims to have, reached, no person can stand above the norms of ethical conduct.”
- This statement was issued March 19, 1993 after a meeting held in Dharamsala, India, between His Holiness The Fourteenth Dalai Lama and a group of twenty-two Western dharma teachers.
Help Zen Buddhism. Help the sangha. Help yourself.
Really help Shimano.
"We are grateful beyond words for the incomparable ...."
ReplyDeleteDid Shimano write this himself? It certainly captures his third rate melodramatic phrasings. No, it could have been a student's idea of sucking up. And there I thought the training was to become an original thinker and doer.
"To dreaaaammm the impossible dream...."
Mah, anyhow....
I learned a new acronym today. STFU.
Just have a vision of pouty moist bee stung lips saying that....
ReplyDeleteDr. Brenda strikes out again..... over in the Aitken blog:
ReplyDeleteEshin Brenda Shoshanna said...
It is with deep sorrow that I write this follow up letter regarding all the events, and recent revelations about Zen Studies Society. It was certainly shocking to read everything that has been posted online subsequent to my earlier posts, and to finally sit down and read the entire archives. Although I knew there were sexual relationships going on, my general impression was that they were consensual, and occasional. I also thought that this had ended years ago. I had no idea of all these details or the extent of what went on. The cover up was indeed incredible, right from the beginning.
I apologize if my words or actions or lack of actions in any way caused or perpetuated pain for anyone. My heartfelt wishes are extended to all involved in this painful web.
All these years of practice with Eido Roshi, I saw a very different man. I saw a man deeply dedicated to dharma, helping many, tireless, relentless in his pursuit of truth. But I only saw part of the picture. I was blind to much else that was going on. There are two people we are confronted with in Eido Roshi. We must face and deal with both of them.
Most of us are familiar with the wonderful teaching, "Let he who is without sin throw the first stone." We are called upon to forgive and let go of anger and revenge. And yet this does not mean that we simply allow the same situation to go on. Forgiveness is a vital act and includes rectification and repair.
Allowing things to go on "as usual" with some slight alteration in schedule and promises of future changes denies and minimizes what went on and the pain and suffering caused by it. It only exacerbates the problem and makes the Zen Studies Society seem unable to face and deal with reality - skillfully and justly.
Unless there are real and dramatic changes, the pollution cannot be cleared up. This is an opportunity to actually put the teachings into practice - to actualize truth, purification, simplicity, humility, compassion for all involved and uncompromising honesty.
There must be full respect for each member of the sangha and their needs and experience. Without a real respect for kindness and truth, it's not real practice. And, an individual who does not respect these values, and cannot be counted on to live by them, in my opinion can not be given any power at all over the lives of others.
In order to regain some sense of honor and viability, it seems clear that the best course of action would be for Eido Roshi to take time away for a period of serious reflection without all the pressures, power and responsibilities he has had to undertake. This would give him a chance to face his situation and life fully, and make the changes he needs to make. It would help restore faith for everyone in the truth and efficacy of Zen practice. Otherwise it all begins to look like a sordid game we've all been caught in.
As a protection against self serving practice, it is also vital to routinely include emphasis on the precepts and ways of practicing the precepts in daily life.
I think it is also clear that a hierarchical, authoritarian structure of governance only exacerbates the possibilities for deception and harm. It perpetuates a sense of powerlessness and a distorted estimation of a teacher, as a greater than life figure, who has access to wisdom that the student does not. Clearly, this structure has also caused a deep feeling of powerlessness among the many women subjected to these unwanted advances, along with feelings of shame and guilt.
If our dedication to practice is real, it has to be accompanied by real changes, by a willingness to let go of old, harmful ways and take a new road forward. Everyday we say, "let true dharma continue." It is time to actualize this teaching. Nothing less will do.
Eshin Brenda Shoshanna
August, 2010
August 29, 2010 8:32 AM
Wow… she’s got some nerve, preaching! All of a sudden Brenda pulls her head out of the sand and she’s an expert about practice. Brenda is what Aitken Roshi declared as, “part of the problem.”
ReplyDeleteHoney, you’ve missed the boat, your pseudo-Eido dog and pony show is over. All your “Dharmicly flowery” words say nothing. You need to “take time away for a period of serious reflection without all the pressures, power and responsibilities” yourself girl!
For the benefit of The Three Treasures, Shimano needs to be permanently removed from contact with students immediately.
Anonymous August 30, 2010 4:29 AM wrote:
ReplyDelete"For the benefit of The Three Treasures, Shimano needs to be permanently removed from contact with students immediately."
Agreed.
I'd like to know a couple of things from a legal point of view going back to an earlier discussion regarding the By Laws. The most current version I was able to find is the 2003 revision; is this correct? Is there a subsequent revision?
Based on the By Laws with the 2003 revisions, I have the following questions and comments:
- Did the Shimano's actually submitted their resignations in writing as required. (Although it seems that writing about it in a Press Release might arguably constitute written submission and acceptance.)
- I have not been able to find a section in the By Laws that determines how the abbot may be found unfit. That means the Board has unlimited leeway, correct?
- If the abbot is found to be unfit, that clearly means that all decisions made by him or her are null and void, does it not? At least since the time the abbot actually became unfit.
- It is clear in a governance situation such as this that unfitness can be recognized to have occurred, but due to circumstances, the required number votes was never reached until a date far into the future from the initial signs of unfitness.
It is clear from the past even as documented in the archives that Shimano was never fit to be abbot. But that was made abundantly clear in the 1970's when Shimano's sexual escapes were clearly seen to be so out of control. They were made abundantly clear when Soen Nagakawa failed to attend the Dai Bosatsu opening ceremony. Now let's fact reality folks: It was due to the number of complaints about Shimano's sexual misconduct, there was nothing mysterious about his absence. But too many people who should have know what Soen's clear message was should have been halted or at least disrupted the event, yet they did not, and they did not do what was right. Soen tried to get the board to do the right thing again in 1982, but again too many board members who should have known better failed to do the right thing. Instead those who felt and were powerless blamed Soen instead of blaming those with the real power in Zen Studies Society: and it really wasn't Soen or Shimano it was the board.
Still, today, the board has the power. The board can still rectify the errors of the past. The board can now do the right thing.
If only the members would give up clinging to the illusions of robes, of position, of ambition, of glory, and of legacy. All that needs to remain is the determination to practice sincerely and honestly.
"For the benefit of The Three Treasures, Shimano needs to be permanently removed from contact with students immediately."
The truth be told: There is no more legacy, it has been destroyed by the internet.
ReplyDeleteJushin,
ReplyDeleteWhat is the best time ES removed from ZSS?
Immediately, Jan 01 - 2011, or Feb 04 - 2012?
Anonymous August 30, 2010 10:15 AM wrote:
ReplyDelete"Jushin,
"What is the best time ES removed from ZSS?
"Immediately, Jan 01 - 2011, or Feb 04 - 2012?"
Following the By Laws board members have to declare him unfit.
Seems to me that if the board were a representative body of the sangha the way it should be, and if all the people who are or were part of the sangha were properly represented, he would be declared unfit and removed immediately. But that's just me.
(- I'm not Jushin)
Board Members of ZSS:
ReplyDeleteEido Shimano (resign)
Aiho Shimano (wife of ES - resign)
Carl Yuho Baldini
Shinge Roko Sherry Chayat
Joe Soun Dowling (president)
Seigan Glassing (resign recently)
Genjo Marinello
Chris Shoteki Phelan (vice president)
Randy Banko Philips (treasurer - resign recently)
Richard Zenshin Rudin
Jim Togen Streit (secretary? - resign recently)
News:
1) ES just returned from giving sesshin
in Europe today Agust 30, 2010. So he might
not be aware the impact of NYT article.
2) How far Yamakawa roshi of Shogen-ji
knows the situation related to ZSS is unknown.
He will come to DBZ giving 'modified' one
week golden wind sesshin.
3) ES mentioned that he would take full
responsibility of current sexual affair, yet
recently he blamed the woman. (Victimise
the victim - old tactics).
4) ES also blamed the ZSS Sangha for
immaturity if they do not stick together
with ES (my comment: Wouw! Whose improper
conduct?).
5) ES will give the first teisho on Sept 08
2010. (My comment: bring news paper journalists
and TV crews ... would be very interesting!)
6) Even ES wife still does not realize the
scope and the truth of ES sexual relationship
with the woman. (My comment: if true ...
wow how can ES cheat or deceive his wife?)
Anonymous 9:59a
ReplyDelete"The truth be told: There is no more legacy, it has been destroyed by the internet."
Perhaps a legacy of destruction?
ES is Abbot for life, the Abbot is, under the bylaws, Chairman of the Board. Regular resignation procedures do not apply to the Abbot, again the bylaws. Internally, only a unanimous Board can remove the Abbot, externally – the Attorney General. A case for ES’s “resignation” being invalid can be made. He, and his attorney, may be very aware of this matter (ace up the sleeve – they are big sleeves…)
ReplyDeleteYamakawa roshi has been informed.
ES is incapable of taking responsibility, a responsible, honorable man would have resigned forthwith.
ES always blames others for his own perceived shortcomings, he is not responsible.
He is hardly likely to be presenting any sort of dramatic “teisho” (if we can even call it that).
ES wife has dealt with this for forty-six years, he comment: “What does it matter to anyone what a man and a woman do in private?” this, considering that Shimano had two affairs while they were engaged.
While digging who Richard Zenshin Rudin is (he has been a board member since 80 or maybe prior to that time), I found this interesting
ReplyDeletearticle:
http://www.hoodiemonks.org/PDF%27s/Shimano_Archive_Redacted/19821027_Zournas_Shimano.pdf
Very interesting since it showed Soen Roshi
bitterness toward ES.
"Yamakawa roshi has been informed."
ReplyDeleteIs he still coming and destroy his good name by standing by the miserable sex molester?
Ask him....
ReplyDeleteAbbot Sogen Yamakawa, Roshi
Shogen-ji Temple
872-2 Ibuka-cho Minokamo City
Gifu, Japan 505-0008
Golden wind sesshin is still the end of
ReplyDeleteSeptember. The important one now is
exposed ES in as many media as possible.
(TV, newspapers, buddhist journal, magazines).
I am not sure if the board is capable of
removing ES because of the bylaws. Also
according to Zournas letter to ES, Shimano
also promised to retire as abbot at that
time ... and he was back. Also was in
early 2000 he said he would retire 2003, and
he was back. So no ES words can be trusted.
Why could Mr. Rudin sit in the board that
long?
Remember bring as many media people as
possible for event of Sept 08, 2010 when
ES will give first Fall 2010 'teisho'.
I was a member of ZSS in New York for three years in the late '60's, until business removed me from formal practice. I attended weekend and week-long sessions with both Soen and Eido in New York and DiaBosatsu.
ReplyDeleteThanks to the marvelous and much appreciated training received from both, I've been sitting at home ever since. During my painful and wiggly first year, Eido Roshi showed much compassion and humor as he helped my practice mature. I still recall parts of his teisho talks and comments. And my experiences with Soen are immeasurable.
While recognizing the impropriety of Roshi's alleged behaviors, I also recognize the impropriety of the alleged women who freely opened their hearts and legs to Roshi's advances. If you believe the woman who had a fiancee at home and screwed the Roshi behind her partner's back because she felt participating in sex with Eido would advance her spiritual agenda, then you'll be open to my ofer of selling you the Brooklyn bridge at a truly affordable price.
When it comes to sexual advances, it takes two to tango, unless we're talking rape. It's true, a zen master has moral obligations towards female students. Yet it's a two way street. Sangha members have a moral responsibility towards their teacher, too.That woman who cheated on her fiancee was not forced to rendevous with Eido after evening sitting.
And I sense, from reading this long and interesting blog, that some contributors have overlooked Eido's contributions to Zen and individual lives like their own. And mine.
I've known two of the women who had affairs with Eido. This was during the first 'fuck fest" in New York in the early '70's. Both sangha members were secretly enjoying their consensual affairs with the zen master during the same period, each believing she was the only one. When one of them shared her affair with with the other, all hell broke lose due what they considered the Roshi's infidelity towards them. Never mind both were also good friends of the Roshi's wife.
From what I've read, the Zendos have good succession plans. Therefore good works performed by Eido and Soen will live on, thanks to Dorris Carlson who need not feel badly about giving Eido money. With her and Chester's generous gifts, Dorris has blessed many of us and has helped the Dharma to live on in America. Even with her gifts, without Eido there would be no upstate zendo.
As board members try to untangle the tape-- again -- and to do what's right under the circumstances, let's all remember to "forgive and forget' (Bible). "Sit more!" (Eido Roshi).
Gassho,
I
This is an open letter to Eido Tai Shimano Roshi:
ReplyDeleteDear Tai San,
There are many reports of your abuse of women published on the web which indicate that you have been involved in breaking the precepts over a period of more than 40 years. I would like to urge you to come forth and make a statement in response to these accusations.
Sincerely yours,
Robert Aitken
”I was a member of ZSS in New York for three years in the late '60's, until business removed me from formal practice.”
ReplyDeleteSo your involvement is very short.
Did you read the Shinamo archive?
I suggest you read them before you open your mouth.
Good Quote:
ReplyDelete"To paraphrase Eizan Goto, current abbot of Ryutaku-ji, if a man takes a single step in the wrong direction, after forty years he's damn far from the starting point, let alone the goal."
Much has been made of the cherished "Rinzai" component of Mr. Shimano's teachings, but in light of every thing else that has transpired, I supposed I should not have been surprised when I discovered this very significant gem contained in the minutes of the October 19, 1982 Board meeting just a few days after Eido was severely chastised by Soen Roshi for his history of sexual misbehavior and lying:
"After some discussion, upon motion duly made and seconded, it was RESOLVED that the Zen Studies Society acknowledges and declares Eido Tai Shimano Roshi to be the founder, and the first and present abbot of Dai Bosatsu Zendo Kongo-ji and New York Zendo Shobo-ji; and Soen Roshi and the late Nyogen Senzaki to be honorary founders; and that Dai Bosatsu Zendo Kongo-ji and New York Zendo Shobo-ji are and will remain independent from any other Zen Buddhist organization here or abroad."
Again, "Dai Bosatsu Zendo and Shobo-ji Zendo are and will remain independent from any other Zen Buddhist Organization here or abroad."
So what of the claims of being part of the Rinzai School? Seems like it's just been Shimano's take on Zen disguised as Rinzai's Zen since October of 1982.
This means that officially after that chastisement he broke away from any and every official Zen ties he had in his home country, Japan. Implicit in this were his ties to Ryutaku-ji and Soen Nakagawa and not just Myoshin-ji.
Independence is often a good thing, but considering the circumstances, this kind of independence and at that particular time should not have been tolerated much less approved of by majority of the governing board of ZSS. Once again the majority was asleep at the wheel. Paradoxically, Myoshin-ji had been attempting to bring DBZ and by extension Sho Bo Ji officially into what really is the Rinzai School of Zen Buddhism. Not one person picked up on the implications of either event or at least no one is recorded as even trying to slow this break away move down.
Shame after shame after shame.
With no end in sight
Read those minutes & consider the motivations and implications:
http://www.shimanoarchive.com/PDF's/19821019_ZSS_Board.pdf
"...he's damn far from the starting point, let alone the goal."
"Dai Bosatsu Zendo and Shobo-ji Zendo are and will remain independent from any other Zen Buddhist Organization here or abroad."
ReplyDeleteSo what he has taught is not zen, simple.
I think someone already touched this issue
ReplyDeleteindirectly when he/she questioned the lineage
legacy and legitimacy. So is it a cult in
Rinzai disguise? How come even BDK and
Yamakawa Roshi did not realize it? Are they
deceived too?
In my opinion, the problem now is not only
sex-abuse, but also deceit, financial,
ruining Sangha, bribe (ask Genju), arrogance,
spreading calumnies, destroying the victims,
etc. Now everything is convoluted and entangled.
Even some existing board members are
affected cannot have clear conscience and
ethics.
re: "This is original. Not! Blame the woman."
ReplyDeleteDid you read Westen's own self-implication and acknowledgement of her own responsibility?
I suggest you read it before you open your mouth.
Let me admit right here: Even before rooting around my inner life of awareness, I knew this much about myself. It wasn't looks or money that grabbed my heart (my recent handsome boyfriend the exception); it was power and dominance. Thus, my romantic history included falling for-and bedding-my college professors, a couple of bosses, a well-known broadcasting mogul, an aging pop artist, a renowned opera impresario who was old enough to be my grandfather, and a narcissistic politician. Many of these men were married. Yet even with this eclectic repertoire, it never occurred to me that a short, fat, middle-aged, manipulative, and conniving cult leader could ever be added to the list.
But I should have known better. Love is blind, or, more likely, as Bruce Springsteen put it: "I was blinded by the light."
So are you saying that the fact other guys did with her justifies Shimano's behavior given his position and role?
ReplyDeleteAlso again, did you read the Shimano archive?
You better have your brain checked before you open your mouth.
"So are you saying that the fact other guys did with her justifies Shimano's behavior given his position and role?"
ReplyDeleteUh.....I don't see where that's written or even implied in the previous post. It just looks like a citation to me.
(Maybe I'd better have my eyes checked before I open my mouth!)
So all of you check your eyes, mind, mouth,
ReplyDeletemaybe your nose and ears too.
The problem still remains: how to remove
ES from ZSS. Let us focus here.
"The problem still remains: how to remove
ReplyDeleteES from ZSS. Let us focus here.
Agree and, as some already said before, spreading the NYT article and other docs seems to be only realistic and effective way. With less students and money, he will starve. It seems we need to destroy the current framework before rebuilding it.
With less students and money, he will starve.
ReplyDeleteStarve? Hardly.
Some former students claimed he was already worth over 3 million circa mid 90's. Financially the Shimano's were conservative, greedy perhaps, but not naive about money. Bet he's worth at least $5 mil if the initial report was true.
Who know how much he got from Dorris Carlson, and from the assorted "blue haired" ladies back in the day. How much he got and still gets from the separate Japanese sangha, private donations, and from his books, talks, things like the sesshin somebody report he just got back from, money he may have inherited from his parents, social security, his pension(s) or annuity(ies) certain have kicked in since he was 72, etc. etc.
ZSS still pays his co-op, medical and most of his day to day expenses so even a modest stipend would have allowed him to save plenty of money.
We aren't talking about a seat of the pants operator here.
This guy is an expert on restoring lost sangha members, board members, monks, etc.
"Starve? Hardly."
ReplyDeleteYou have to understand that "starve" doesn't necessarily mean money. That is applicable to his ego and sexual desire. If he cared only money, he would have retired after one of the exposures in the past.
What he cherished is his feeling of having power, basically his huge ego.
Let's stop discussion just for discussion.
We had enough of them and we need action.
""The problem still remains: how to remove ES from ZSS. Let us focus here."
ReplyDeleteYou make an excellent point.
But first lets ask? What is the problem?
Is it as someone posts repeatedly to wait for Shimano to answer the question posed by Aitken?
Is it really "how do to remove ES from ZSS?"
Is the problem " It seems we need to destroy the current framework before rebuilding it."
Or is the problem:
"Each student must be encouraged to take responsible measures to confront teachers with unethical aspects of their conduct. If the teacher shows no sign of reform, students should not hesitate to publicize any unethical behavior of which there is irrefutable evidence. This should be done irrespective of other beneficial aspects of his or her work and of one's spiritual commitment to that teacher. It should also be made clear in any publicity that such conduct is not in conformity with Buddhist teachings. No matter what level of spiritual attainment a teacher has, or claims to have, reached, no person can stand above the norms of ethical conduct.”
Each goal has it's appeal.
Each goal may be undertaken with considered good intention.
Each one has it's level of difficulty and commitment.
Probably, it's just up to whomever want to "do" something....
And realize that no matter what you decide to do there will be obstacles and "push back." The "push back" like we see here is possibility from people who think that their intentions are as good if not better than yours.
"Hey, let's be careful out there."
- Sergeant Phil Esterhaus Hill Street Blues
Just like everything else, those who want to act, those who want to stick to Shimano stick to the cult.
ReplyDelete"Organizational culture" goes over better than "cult".
ReplyDeleteWhat is really disturbing is that the American Zen Teachers Association is in violation of their own membership admission charter by recognizing Sherry Chayat and Joe Marinello and other Shimano dharma heirs as Buddhist Teachers (herefore refered to as “Shimano Spawn”):
ReplyDelete“Has the prospective member received substantial training and been authorized to teach by an authorized teacher in a recognized Zen lineage?”
Shimano and the Zen Studies Society own Board ruled they are NOT part of any established Zen Buddhist Organization ergo NOT part of any established lineage in any Zen Buddhist Organization:
“"Dai Bosatsu Zendo and Shobo-ji Zendo are and will remain independent from any other Zen Buddhist Organization here or abroad." http://www.shimanoarchive.com/PDF's/19821019_ZSS_Board.pdf
There is no “lineage” that can be claimed by the Shimano’s Zen cult. This means that the alleged status of Shimano’s spawn – “dharma heirs” is totally without merit in the real Buddhist lineage tradition. Sherry Chayat is no more a Roshi in the line of Hakuin and Torei than you or I or anybody. Joe of Chobo-Ji is a bogus Osho of the Shimano Zen Cult because there is no lineage.
To be in a “lineage” there has to an association by Dai Bosatsu and Shobo-ji with a recognized Zen Buddhist Organization.
A hungry lawyer ( and there are plenty of those these days) could and possible should bring actionable cause of fraud against “Shimano’s spawn” and the Zen Studies Society for impersonating clergy.
"Organizational culture" goes over better than 'cult.''
ReplyDeleteSure, it goes over better but it is not what is being referred to here.
Organizational culture is not a politically correct alternative to "cult." Far from it.
The word "cult" is being used here in reference to a group seen as authoritarian, exploitative and possibly dangerous.
Consider for yourself whether ZSS has these and other tendencies considered to be a cult as described here: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Cult
"Organizational culture" is an idea in the field of Organizational studies and management which describes the psychology, attitudes, experiences, beliefs and values (personal and cultural values) of an organization.
So, yes, even in being as objective as possible some feel correct in saying that the organizational culture of the Zen Studies Society has many of the characteristics of a cult.
I remember a time when every Easter Spiritual system legitimate or not, were all generally considered to be cults in a the sense as that they were strange, foreign and outside the norm, outside the Western Judeo-Christian world view. There was a time I defended ZSS against being called a cult. Not so now.
But look at things. Even with the board postings and admission of problems there are still folks dropping by and trying to turn the situation into the old Eido-is-a-victim nonsense, worse, we get statement from the board itself in glorifying terms "We are grateful beyond words for the incomparable gift of Eido Roshi’s Dharma treasure, and for his unstinting efforts to root Rinzai Zen Buddhism in American soil. Ever at home in the unconditional realm, he spurs us to go beyond the relative vista." Come on! I don't know about you but stuff like this makes me want to run for the hills.
"For the benefit of The Three Treasures, Shimano needs to be permanently removed from contact with students immediately."
ReplyDeleteThis is the only route to credibility for the board.
YOU ALL ARE ABSOLUTE WACKOS, SNAKE BIT BLIND WITH NOT A CLUE HOW THE WORLD ACTUALLY GOES A ROUND. NOT A CLUE. NOT ONE.
ReplyDelete"YOU ALL ARE ABSOLUTE WACKOS, SNAKE BIT BLIND WITH NOT A CLUE HOW THE WORLD ACTUALLY GOES A ROUND. NOT A CLUE. NOT ONE. "
ReplyDeleteAre you standing in front of a mirror?
"Are you standing in front of a mirror?"
ReplyDeleteAnd a spotless one at that.
For a time I came here with an open mind for information. This blog has deteriorated and sounds more like name calling school children than seekers of any real truth. Please reconsider your purpose and motivations.
ReplyDeleteThe quality of students is a reflection of their teacher, Shimano!
ReplyDeleteAnonymous August 31, 2010 12:04 AM said...
ReplyDelete"For a time I came here with an open mind for information. This blog has deteriorated and sounds more like name calling school children than seekers of any real truth. Please reconsider your purpose and motivations."
You make an valid point but you need to go beyond the frustration and anger.
Consider it from a living historical perspective which includes emotion, not just dry analysis years after the fact:
For 46 years of Shimano getting away with pathological lying, sexual misconduct, and unbelievable arrogance and who knows what else, first while still under the guidance of his teachers, Soen Nakagawa and Haku'un Yasutani then by the successive members of the Zen Studies Society Board of Directors, there is legitimate frustration.
When someone writes about "Shimano Spawn" after I pointed out the real the information about the break from all ties to any school of Zen in Japan since October of 1982 the label and sentiment is justified. So is numbness. What of it?
Good luck sifting through the hot embers. Some can handle it.
Nevertheless, the facts will remain after the emotional outbursts fade away.
Learn, participate, understand, but, please, feel.
From http://robertaitken.blogspot.com/2010/05/eido-tai-shimano-roshi.html
ReplyDeleteI found out that ZSS Ethics Committee composed
of three persons: Yuho Carl Baldini, Genjo Osho,
and Keiun Clare Dacey. And the first two
persons are also members of the board (picked
by Eido). Isn't it something fishy (conflict
of interest) here?
I do not understand the state of ethics of
these students, still clouded after so many
years practice Zen. Maybe because is it
the product under ES?
They do not understand ethics because it is not taught. Remember Shimano's teaching: "There are no morals in Zen."
ReplyDeleteWhat are you expecting from ZSS?
ReplyDeleteEverything is fishy with no transparency, simply driven by Shimano's greed.
Yes I too have read the statement on the Aitken Blog.
ReplyDeleteThe Ethics Committee has the following three members:
Yuho Carl Baldini, School Counselor, ZSS Board member,
Keiun Clare Dacey, Social Worker,
Genjo Marinello, psychotherapist and ZSS Board member, & Shimano Heir
The way the it appears on the Aitken's blog and other references to responses to emailed questions, the committee is represented by Mr. Marinello.
Further, it seems that each member has a legitimate professional human relationship credential, but nothing that speaks to the issue of ethics per se, much less Buddhist ethics, much less to Buddhist monastic ethics.
Without a doubt, finding out as many here suspected that there are hand picked, Shimano approved ZSS members and an heir on the Ethics Community certainly will make some justifiably suspect.
I suppose that it may be fair to say that the scope of the Ethics Committee has been correctly defined as it was intended:
"More often than not the "remedy" is *just* to be acknowledged and heard with assurance that appropriate action has been *instigated*; in other instances, the wounded party may suggest something more, or our consultants may suggest something more. If an apology or some sort of reconciliation is sought we will try to facilitate this."
It is clearly limited. I suppose then, as other have strongly suggested, that a legal remedy would certainly provide more productive in any number of ways than an organizational body that professes it will *attempt* to facilitate an apology.
Here is a short and possibly long forgotten story.
A dharma brother of mine was still shaken days after the following happened. Even though he had the "stories" about Shimano, the reality of being made part of an actual incident was still a lot to handle. He was helping out at what was at that time the Thursday Night Introductory meeting. He saw a woman crying outside the Zendo. She was evidently one of the last people to leave and Shimano saw her at the back of Sho Bo Ji. There was a brief conversation then Shimano suddenly reached out and fondled one of her breasts. He stopped when she did not react the way he hoped. There were residents and possibly others on the upper floors of SBJ.
Who will provide, who can provide an apology or reconciliation for this incident? My friend surely acknowledged and apologized. But what of her?
But what of the greater issue: with respect to whether under Mr. Shimano there is proper Zen training and transmission of "True Dharma"? This is clearly beyond the scope of the Ethics Community.
my 2 cents - I believe one of the of many steps is to have an attorney review the merits of this "situation" and to write a letter to American Zen Teachers Association to challenge the status of all of the Shimanos Dharma heirs; whether they can legitimately and legally claim to be Rinzai Zen Buddhists and maintain "Teacher" status in the AZTA as Rinzai Zen Buddhists with knowledge that the Zen Studies Society Board had declared“"Dai Bosatsu Zendo and Shobo-ji Zendo are and will remain independent from any other Zen Buddhist Organization here or abroad." http://www.shimanoarchive.com/PDF's/19821019_ZSS_Board.pdf.
ReplyDeleteSecond would be for a written request from the Rinzai Buddhist Association in Japan, if they acknowledge and accept the succession of Shimano's dharma heirs as legitimate and acceptable in the lineage of Rinzai Zen Buddhism.
There are many more steps and I am certain my true dharma brothers and sisters are motivated, Straight forward no hesitation!
James Ford states:
ReplyDelete"The AZTA has prided itself on not being a professional organization. It has no bylaws, no officers and only two committees, a membership committee to review applications from Zen teachers who might want to get together with their sisters and brothers, and a committee to arrange each annual meeting."
http://monkeymindonline.blogspot.com/2010/07/doings-at-2010-american-zen-teachers.html
James Ford states:
ReplyDelete"The AZTA has prided itself on not being a professional organization. It has no bylaws, no officers and only two committees, a membership committee to review applications from Zen teachers who might want to get together with their sisters and brothers, and a committee to arrange each annual meeting."
While I have no doubt that the facts are correct, I doubt that Ford speaks for everyone who belongs to the group (E. g. Are all proud of the fact that AZTA is not a professional organization? Is everyone happy about the continuing Shimano Saga and the enablers making up the ZSS board?) But, perhaps one day a better group will flow from the AZTA.
AZTA = another example of a ridiculous American Buddhist Organization without credibility, responsibility and accountability. BUT AZTA will judge you and vote whether to allow you to join them according to 9 super important arbitrary criteria to see if you are good enough to join their super elite friends club so you get together with other AZTA "sisters and brothers" and pretend to be someone of importance. BAHHHHHH
ReplyDeleteThe purpose of ethics committee is ambiguous
ReplyDeleteand it has no power. ES can say "So what?"
with committee effort to "instigate" dan "try"
appropriate actions. Instigate means no
followup, try means no real action.
Secondly, ethics committee ethically is
improper because two of them are board members.
Since all of them are students of ES, how
would they react if ES said "this is zen ethics".
Ethics committee should be independent and
picked from outsiders (at least the majority
is outsiders). Better if this ethics
committee is proactive not waiting complaints.
They can start questioning female kessei
students and looking at financial situation
of ZSS from the last fifteen years.
The Board is conflicted, they are afraid to act decisively to remove Shimano. One major reason being the hierarchical system of “transmission” that Shimano has sold them. The Dharma heirs are heavily invested in their credentials and fear that Shimano by his actions has invalidated them.
ReplyDeleteThere is more than enough information available to the Board to do what is right and permanently remove Shimano from contact with the very students that the Board bears fiduciary responsibility for. This “ethics committee” is an effort to “bring out” new “survivors” so as to provide the Board with ammunition they need to oust Shimano over the objections of the hierarchists. The thing is, nobody is coming forward to their committee - and that upsets them. It reeks of the Board wanting to be forced by the “survivors/victims” into doing what their fiduciary responsibility mandates.
Shimano did not select the people on the Board for their business acumen, their legal knowledge, their uncompromising ethics or their stellar intellects. They were chosen as pawns that Shimano felt he could control and manipulate, they were only selected out of Shimano’s sense of their personal loyalty to him. They are hardly qualified or properly informed to deal with the situation they are presently faced with.
Let’s remember, not too long ago a board member and Dharma heir admitted, “I believe in him more now than I did then, but I must say that when the full extent of his earlier history became known to me in the last year, I too was shocked. I read all the letters, many times with tears in my eyes.” Twelve days later… it was a different story.
The full extent of Shimano’s history has been known to a lot of us for a long time. Where did the Dharma heir Board member and the others have their heads buried? Even when he wrote those very words, he had no clue that Shimano was still at it, a few days later he was forced to recognize the truth that many of us knew all along but could not document. We might ask, “Who were the Dharma heir’s tears for?” – Shimano? himself? the organizational structure, the “survivors”? And what of the other Dharma heir on the Board? Not a peep out of her, perhaps practicing her master’s “noble silence” – another band-aid applied to a gaping, hemorrhaging wound.
There are issues involving Shimano’s rule that the Board is still in ignorance of. There are suicides, that had Shimano exercised proper fiduciary responsibility could have been prevented. Kofu Ed Lindsay is one… Shimano knew how tightly Kofu was wound, he suffered from extreme PTSD – it was obvious to the other residents. Kofu should have never been permitted to remain at DBZ; kindly sending him away could have saved his life. Likewise, Subaru – Shimano was warned again and again about Subaru and did nothing… until Subaru plunged a carving knife into his abdomen in the guesthouse kitchen. Did Shimano even go to visit him in the hospital? Let’s not forget these events Board members… there are many others.
I am very sad about the idea of "noble silence"
ReplyDeleteshown by his Dharma heirs. I came from a country
thick with Buddhist tradition. It seems they
(Dharma heirs) do not understand the meaning
of noble silence and cannot distinguish it with cover-up. There is a very very thin line
bordering noble silence and cover-up. What
the Dharma Heirs are doing now is a cover-up.
Even almost all my fellow Japanese want ES
took responsibility and publicly apologise.
Why do they need a seal of transmission?
To be posted in their ego? But the ego should
be crushed in the first place, isn't it?
This implies "I practised to get rid off the
ego, yet I need the ego to receive Dharma
Trnasmission". Wow what confusing! I think
one of the authors here is right that he
doubts the quality of ES teaching as ES came
here in young age as an unsui.
There was someone who said that Hui-Neng
received transmission though he worked in
the kitchen, and Buddha got enlightentment
only sitting in six years, so what is
wrong with ES getting enlightentment in couple
of days or years. The answer: ES is NOT
Hui-Neng or Buddha Sakyamuni, not even
on par with Gempo Yamamoto.
Indeed ES needs to publicly apologize... unequivocally and immediately resign as Abbot and never teach again. An honorable man would do so. Where is his sense of bushido?
ReplyDelete@ Anon September 1, 2010 11:03 AM
ReplyDelete"There are suicides, that had Shimano exercised proper fiduciary responsibility could have been prevented. Kofu Ed Lindsay is one… Shimano knew how tightly Kofu was wound, he suffered from extreme PTSD – it was obvious to the other residents. Kofu should have never been permitted to remain at DBZ; kindly sending him away could have saved his life. Likewise, Subaru – Shimano was warned again and again about Subaru and did nothing… until Subaru plunged a carving knife into his abdomen in the guesthouse kitchen."
These two individuals committed suicide while in residence at DZB?
If so, you are implying that Eido Shimano is responsible for these deaths?
Subaru survived his suicide attempt, he did not return to DBZ. He was an illegal alien and probably wound up being deported. I don't know about Kofu.
ReplyDeleteJust whining here makes any difference.
ReplyDeleteThrowing an analysis on legality ... and who does what?
The ethics committee needs to examine why a Dharma heir and Board member had to find out about the history of the ZSS posted on the internet in a desperate attempt to bring transparency to a dysfunctional organization. Why were not the board members given copies of the complete history of the organization prior to them agreeing to serve? Who put them in that position and why? These are ethics committee questions that need to be answered.
ReplyDeleteNews:
ReplyDeleteSept 4, 2010 at 3.00 PM there will be
meeting between sangha members of Shobo-ji
with the board of ZSS and Faith Trust Inst.
(I think it should be open to former sangha)
Hold on right here please.
ReplyDeleteAnonymous said...
"Subaru survived his suicide attempt, he did not return to DBZ. He was an illegal alien and probably wound up being deported. I don't know about Kofu."
September 1, 2010 12:28 PM
There were two suicide attempts made at DBZ to your knowledge? Do you recall the year or years these two attempts took place?
You say that Abbott Eido Shiamno was repeatedly informed as to the psychological condition of these two individuals. Do you recall any of the details of how this was effort was made?
To the best of your knowledge, you know or believe that Eido Shimano knew about this situation and did nothing to help these two people deal with the pain they were experiencing?
"And what of the other Dharma heir on the Board? Not a peep out of her, perhaps practicing her master’s “noble silence” – another band-aid applied to a gaping, hemorrhaging wound."
ReplyDeleteDo vultures makes sounds as the circle high above waiting for the prey to die? If they do, they are they too high up to hear?
"The Dharma heirs are heavily invested in their credentials and fear that Shimano by his actions has invalidated them."
ReplyDeleteOh, please! Their credential have never been valid!
"Has the prospective member received substantial training and been authorized to teach by an authorized teacher in a recognized Zen lineage?"
Quality of Zen Training under Mr. "The is no morality in Zen" Shimano: Insufficient.
Was Mr. Shimano and authorized teacher: No. His peers in his beloved Japan do not recognize him as a roshi.
Authorized Linage: Invalid. The Shimano Lineage is a shameful distortion.
If the so called oshos who have trained under him want any degree of legitimacy they need to re-train elsewhere, hopefully after they assist in getting Shimano deposed.
Subaru attempted suicide at DBZ... mid to late 90's?
ReplyDeleteKofu allegedly shot himself to death shortly after leaving DBZ following a heated argument with Shimano... 1981-82?
Shimano's only answer for anyone's problems is more zazen!
Bill Hewitt committed suicide some time after leaving DBZ in 1980 or so.
ReplyDelete"Subaru attempted suicide at DBZ... mid to late 90's? '
ReplyDeleteThere was a medical emergency response to this event?
Did you directly witness a conversation in which an attempt to inform Abbott Shimano of the psychological condition of this individual was made?
There was a medical emergency response and a State Police response. The zen students had "cleaned up the mess" by the time the Troopers arrived...
ReplyDeleteI did not witness the conversation... I had the conversation with him.
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteThere was a medical emergency response and a State Police response. The zen students had "cleaned up the mess" by the time the Troopers arrived...
I did not witness the conversation... I had the conversation with him.
September 1, 2010 2:34 PM
Was there anyone in the room, in addition to you and Abbott Shimano, who could corraborate the conversation you had with Abbott Shimano concerning this individual's psychological health?
You are certain this conversation was held prior to the attempted suicide?
This is not the place for this kind of interview... take it elsewhere.
ReplyDeletelawyerly legal chatter, cross examination, deposition like queries going on this blog from what appear to be Shimano defenders - part of the ZSS / Shimano game to calculate damage control for their cult
ReplyDeleteSomebody, somewhere, just soiled their fudoshi.
ReplyDeleteCould be the Justice Department guys sniffing around too.
ReplyDelete"Somebody, somewhere, just soiled their fudoshi."
ReplyDeletesomebody somewhere just screamed " more zazen!"
Hai!
ReplyDeleteIf Anonymous answers Anon 2:48 PM ... it could
ReplyDeletebecome the start of legal proceedings against
ES. The same thing can be done regarding tax
and financial case and sexual abuse.
There were at least three (attempted)
ReplyDeletesuicide then:
1) Subaru (survive) - mid to late 90's
2) Kofu Ed Lindsay - around 1981-82
3) Ed Hewitt - after living DBZ around 1980.
Are there more cases?
Anonymous said...
ReplyDeleteThis is not the place for this kind of interview... take it elsewhere.
September 1, 2010 2:51 PM
I see what you mean. That was not an interview. nor am I a lawyer.
I have been following this blog for some time and saw something new mentioned this morning. I have continued to read it because I am trying to understand why people are so upset.
There is so much smoke, and what seems to be innuendo, on this site. Suddenly something seemingly first hand emerged and I asked more questions trying to verify for myself.
I apologize to all concerned.
With enough investigation the suicides and suicide attempt mentioned can be verified, witnesses can be located. Also there was Wado Vicky Gerdy, a former Board member who committed suicide. There is plenty that cannot be verified or documented and won't appear here. The point is, the present Board has no clue what they are dealing with... Yet.
ReplyDeleteTheir idiotic "ethics committee" expects people to reveal to them facts that will place the Board members in the position of defendants. Can't they see what they are doing? Can't they see the inherent conflict of interest they themselves are propagating? These people think they are prepared to deal with ethics?